Comments Thread For: BoxingScene Update: Pound for Pound List and Review

[T18Z]

I am not trying to debate this Pacquiao-Bradley fight, fact of the matter is you are trying to say I am the only one who thought this fight was close, when that is not the case. My final score for fight will be 115-113 for Pacquiao, Pacquiao won but he did not look as dominant as we all wanted to believe that night.

You are one of an exceptionally miniscule minority it would appear. Also, by ranking Bradley 6th on your p4p list, you pretty much are claiming he won vs Pacquaio, as you surely can't think beating Ruslan who isn't even close to being in the p4p ranking gets him up multiple places and losing to Pacquaio does nothing to his ranking?

[HeroBando]

I am not trying to debate this Pacquiao-Bradley fight, fact of the matter is you are trying to say I am the only one who thought this fight was close, when that is not the case. My final score for fight will be 115-113 for Pacquiao, Pacquiao won but he did not look as dominant as we all wanted to believe that night.

I thought you were debating it right above. Fair enough, but you understand most posters will prioritize like this:

1. how they saw it
2. how 99% of the named experts saw it
3. how some 23 post guy that might or might not be a turbo alt saw it

[T18Z]

You can't say the exact same to me because you actually have both incompetence and favoritism when it comes to your judgement on P4P rankings. Is it really pissing you off that I have Bradley at 6th? To be honest with you anything below 5 is not anything to really pay attention to closely. I may have Mares or Carl Froch there tomorrow just because of how I felt that day, because 6-10 is interchangeable. If we going to talk about the Ruslan fight with Bradley, I can say it was very bad ref work in the fight but Bradley being hurt didn't mean Ruslan won. Fact is Ruslan face look like a balled up knuckle after the fight while Bradley's didn't and Bradley fought Ruslan's fight and still landed much more shots on him which caused a lot of damage where the fight could had been stopped on cuts. I understand your dislike for Bradley but I have enough indifference to him that I can properly gauge his skills fairly unlike your disdain you harbor for the guy.

Yes because we should all judge a fight on who's face swells up the most, implying it has nothing to do with genetics and the fact there is variations with skin sensitivity, rofl.

To your final comment, guage his skills fairly is pure gold, you think losing to Pacquaio and barley beating Ruslan INCREASES his p4p ranking? Are you even using your brain right now? Anyways, you're done talking about Bradley, and I'm done now too, so no need to reply.

[Augustane]

Whatever you say, all I know is that due to Pacquiao most recent loss he does not deserve to be in the top ten.

But you have Donaire on your list?

Pacquiao basically UD'd Bradley and nearly took out Marquez prior to be iced by that right hand himself. Pacquiao-Marquez 5 would still be a 50-50 or 55-45 fight. Where does he rank then, in comparison to your #2, if the fight would still be extremely competitive?

Donaire was taken to school for 12 rounds. If anything, Donaire is the one who deserves to be taken off the p4p.

[crold1]

Any p4p list or divisional rankings that is constructed by only ONE GUY is not a valid ranking. Sorry Cliff.

The only credible p4p list OR divisional rankings that i've seen recently are the transnational boxing board's due to the sheer size as well as credentials of their ratings panel.

And Andre Ward being rated @ #1 is an absolute fucking joke!

P4P lists are good fun, but ultimately silly. Divisional ratings reflect real fights. P4P sort of does, but it's best value is this sort of barber shop discourse. One guy, a committee...it's all about the same. One reasonably informed list is as good as another. I mean, Roman Gonazalez ain't fighting Wlad. Any list that could try to rate both side by side is inherently a little nutty. So I kind of laugh when I see those sort of 'credibility' parameters.

Keep rockin

[crold1]

Ultimately silly? P4P rankings are subjective but they should be held to certain standard and should be used in all discussion of boxing. It keeps all the divisions relevant and helps keep track of the special fighters in the sport.

No it doesn't. It's too often a super lazy way to avoid knowing what is going on in the bulk of divisions by narrowing the focus to a handful of guys and degrading the overwhelming majority of fighters. Special fighters don't need keeping track of.

These are fun, they should be approached honestly, and they make for great debate. I like them for that. I do them for that.

But that's all they're really worth. No one fights in the "P4P" division.

[MARKBNLV]

I rate Andre Ward highly.

However... how on earth can you justify putting him P4P #1... above Mayweather, above Juan Manuel Marquez, above Pacquiao even.

Andre Ward has not traversed weight classes. He's not fighting at light heavy and dominating. All these multi weight world champions and he's above them, P4P, when fighting at his ideal weight class? Mayweather could be fighting at 140. Pacquiao, JMM at 135. They go up because they cleaned up, and have bigger fish to fry.

Andre Ward's "bigger fish" was pulling a guy down a weight class.

He is an incredible boxer, obviously very skilled and obviously the best current super middleweight in the world. Best P4P? Let's see him get out of his comfort zone first. Hell, he barely even leaves his home town.

My feeling is he walks through the Lhws fast as fck then the same with cruiser if he wanted it.