Is Canelo a top 50 - p4p fighter?

[DeepSleep]

I don't know if those are 50, but if not, they are ALMOST 50:
- I rank all those fighters above Canelo in the p4p list - and I will say it again: The only top fighter Canelo fought who was not smaller or past his prime, is Austin Trout and at least 50 % of all the people said that Trout beat Canelo. Here is the list:
Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquiao
Sergio Martinez
Andre Ward
Juan Manuel Marquez
Carl Froch
Wladimir Klitschko
Vitali Klitschko
Bernard Hopkins
Timothy Bradley
Lucas Matthysse
Danny Garcia
Abner Mares
Nonito Donaire
Robert Guerrero
Chad Dawson
Gennady Golovkin
Tomasz Adamek
David Haye
Steve Cunningham
Marco Huck (not the most talented fighter, but has wins against high quality opponents on his record)
Lucian Bute
Jean Pascal
Mikkel Kessler
Daniel Geale
Miguel Cotto
Devon Alexander
Amir Khan
Adrien Broner
Ricky Burns
Richar Abril
Yuriorkis Gamboa
Takashi Uchiyama
Mikey Garcia
Chris John
Juan Manuel Lopez
Guillermo Rigondeaux
Leo Santa Cruz
Anselmo Moreno
Shinsuke Yamanaka
Omar Narvaez
Brian Viloria
Juan Francisco Estrada

For the record I count 43 names on the list. Can you name seven more you think are better than Canelo?

[Salardo]

For the record I count 43 names on the list. Can you name seven more you think are better than Canelo?

I didn't even count them, I just put out a long list. So what is your point? I said 50 fighters are above Canelo on my p4p list and I gave you a list and now you found out the list is not 50 but almost 50? Now you want me to throw out 7 more names because in the 43 I gave you, you saw that those guys are INDEED above Canelo p4p. So now you want to hear 7 questionable names so you can attack me? How about go through the 43 names I gave you and try explain to me who is NOT deserving to be ranked above Canelo.

[The Surgeon]

I don't know if those are 50, but if not, they are ALMOST 50:
- I rank all those fighters above Canelo in the p4p list - and I will say it again: The only top fighter Canelo fought who was not smaller or past his prime, is Austin Trout and at least 50 % of all the people said that Trout beat Canelo. Here is the list:
Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquiao
Sergio Martinez
Andre Ward
Juan Manuel Marquez
Carl Froch
Wladimir Klitschko
Vitali Klitschko
Bernard Hopkins
Timothy Bradley
Lucas Matthysse
Danny Garcia
Abner Mares
Nonito Donaire
Robert Guerrero
Chad Dawson
Gennady Golovkin
Tomasz Adamek
David Haye
Steve Cunningham
Marco Huck (not the most talented fighter, but has wins against high quality opponents on his record)
Lucian Bute
Jean Pascal
Mikkel Kessler
Daniel Geale
Miguel Cotto
Devon Alexander
Amir Khan
Adrien Broner
Ricky Burns
Richar Abril
Yuriorkis Gamboa
Takashi Uchiyama
Mikey Garcia
Chris John
Juan Manuel Lopez
Guillermo Rigondeaux
Leo Santa Cruz
Anselmo Moreno
Shinsuke Yamanaka
Omar Narvaez
Brian Viloria
Juan Francisco Estrada

Canelo is CLEARLY better than a fair few of these guys, some of whom haven't fought anyone either

[Salardo]

Canelo is CLEARLY better than a fair few of these guys, some of whom haven't fought anyone either

okay so give me 5 guys of my list who "didn't fight anyone either" and explain why they don't deserve to be ranked above Canelo.

[The Surgeon]

I didn't even count them, I just put out a long list. So what is your point? I said 50 fighters are above Canelo on my p4p list and I gave you a list and now you found out the list is not 50 but almost 50? Now you want me to throw out 7 more names because in the 43 I gave you, you saw that those guys are INDEED above Canelo p4p. So now you want to hear 7 questionable names so you can attack me? How about go through the 43 names I gave you and try explain to me who is NOT deserving to be ranked above Canelo.

Because its your thread and u raised the notion that there were 50 better fighters out there than Canelo, name 50.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Not as good as rigo, ward etc

But def higher than adamek, burns.

I have Canelo in the same neighborhood as both Garcias, broner, somewhere between 11-25

Once you get past the top 5 or 6 guys, It is hugely debatable

[The Surgeon]

I don't know if those are 50, but if not, they are ALMOST 50:
- I rank all those fighters above Canelo in the p4p list - and I will say it again: The only top fighter Canelo fought who was not smaller or past his prime, is Austin Trout and at least 50 % of all the people said that Trout beat Canelo. Here is the list:
Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquiao
Sergio Martinez
Andre Ward
Juan Manuel Marquez
Carl Froch
Wladimir Klitschko
Vitali Klitschko
Bernard Hopkins
Timothy Bradley
Lucas Matthysse
Danny Garcia
Abner Mares
Nonito Donaire
Robert Guerrero
Chad Dawson
Gennady Golovkin
Tomasz Adamek
David Haye
Steve Cunningham
Marco Huck (not the most talented fighter, but has wins against high quality opponents on his record)
Lucian Bute
Jean Pascal
Mikkel Kessler
Daniel Geale
Miguel Cotto
Devon Alexander
Amir Khan
Adrien Broner
Ricky Burns
Richar Abril
Yuriorkis Gamboa
Takashi Uchiyama
Mikey Garcia
Chris John
Juan Manuel Lopez
Guillermo Rigondeaux
Leo Santa Cruz
Anselmo Moreno
Shinsuke Yamanaka
Omar Narvaez
Brian Viloria
Juan Francisco Estrada

Danny Garcia. Who he beat? Glass jaw Khan coming in off a loss? Ancient Eric? Old Zab? And its not all about your resume though it certainly helps. Canelo is just better and its plain to see.

Juanma Lopez. Guys sloppy as hell and is probably finished.

Richard Abril. Yeah he deserved to beat Bam Bam, so what Rios isn't anything elite. He has losses on the record to Lundy and Presscott too.

Geale is pump, Alvarez would even beat him now at Middle.
Steve Cunningham, Marco Huck, Estrada, Viloria, Khan...**** there's loads mate your just plain hating and its weak.

[$Bullsfam$]

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Originally Posted by FeFist

This is getting pathetic. I don't think Canelo is in the top 10 pound for pound ( he shouldn't be there) but top 50? Any fighter who is the no.1 in their division ( Overlooking shamefully poor divisions) should be inside of the top 50. They would be inside the top 30.

okay, then let's see at the top 10 boxrec light middleweight rankings:
http://boxrec.com/ratings.php?sex=m&...20Middleweight
Canelo fought only 1 guy of the top 10, which is obviously Trout, and I will say it again: at least 50 % of the people think Trout won this fight. I will say it again: Canelo ONLY FOUGHT TROUT who is in the top 10, he fought NONE of the other 8 top 10 fighters.
Here are the top 10
1. Canelo
2. Molina (fought MUCH BETTER opposition than Canelo and got robbed in most of those fights)
3. Trout: beat Delvin Rodriguez and Cotto and in my opinion beat Canelo as well.
4. Ishe Smith
5. Baysangurov
6. Bundrage
7. Erislandy Lara
8. Martirosyan
9. Cotto
10. Delvin Rodriguez

- So that makes him the number 1 guy of this division?: fighting only 1 guy of the top 10 and getting the "W" in a highly controversial, highly disputed decision? Okay.

How the hell I'd Cotto so low? Vanes, K9 and Ishe Smith are not above him and Lara either since technically they robbed him again Paul Williams.


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[humanpunchingbg]

Because its your thread and u raised the notion that there were 50 better fighters out there than Canelo, name 50.

Exactly. How are you going to say that Canelo is not even top 50 and only name 43 who you "think" are better than him?
You must really hate Canelo or are trying to discredit Mayweather if he wins.

[$Bullsfam$]

I can agree that Canelo is over hyped as hell but he definitely has more talent then most the guys you named.

The problem is just that, its talent and not resume. Most of them have fought better fighters but wouldn't beat him head to head.

He gets way too much credit but he's still elite for hanging with trout


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