Floyd is boring...looking back

[Jcsuper]

I do remember Floyd saying that Arum owed Floyd about 10 million(not exactly sure if its 10) in money he never received from his fights. But he left TopRank anyway because he wasn't getting paid and he wanted to become his own boss. Arum never wanted to do business with Floyd and Oscar because he felt betrayed by both because they left him. Now all of a sudden people are claiming he ducked Cotto and Margarito... When has TopRank ever put one of their stars against anything dealing with GB? Its for the same reason Lucas vs Rios didn't get made and Donaire and Mares isn't getting made.

People on the site are ******ed and dont seem to get that.

Both top rank and GBP dont want to put their biggest star against somebody from the other side, because if you lose, people wont care about your fighter and the other one will become really big.

I think Arum made a big mistake in the Bradley - Pac fight, I think he wanted to create a star with Bradley so he pushed for Bradley to win, but people still don't give a **** about Bradley and the fight took some luster from pacquiao.

[Jcsuper]

hmm a little fight called pac vs hoya? or pavlik vs hopkins? you got no leg to stand on. it's floyd who doesn't want to work with top rank not the other way around. blame floyd.

2008 and 2008 that means 5 years. You can only come up with 2 fights when there are hundred of in-houses fights for both company. Thats a damn low ratio. And DLH cherrypicked Pac, he was sure he would beat Pac, so for him there was no risk and he thought he could hurt Top Rank badly by destroying their cow milk. Same think with Hopkins who was sure he could beat a lighter Pavlik and hurt Top Rank by destroying a cow milk ( it worked that time)

[daggum]

Guerrero is a bull**** fight
Ortiz is a bull**** fight
Marquez is a bull*** fight

Mosley was a great fight, don't make me show you the hundred threas about how Floyd would never fight Mosley after Mosley decapitated that bum cheater margarito
Hatton was a great fight, the pre fight was insane, everybody wanted to see the fight.
The DLH and Cotto were great and were fights that people wanted to see.

Floyd has his share of crap fight and good fights, but fanboys and haters (like you) only see all in white or in black.

The Alvarez is a great, great fight.

margarito, cotto, and pac were the best welterweights of the era. not mosley, hatton, and baldomir. its called cherry picking. oh mosley beat a guy i ducked for years i'll fight mosley now because it's a much easier style! everyone thought mosley was shot before the margarito fight. so you are telling me if shot roy jones somehow beats andre ward, then froch fights and beats shot roy jones that's better than if froch was able to beat andre ward? i don't really get that yet that's what floyd has done and it's considered great. whatever.

[jimboinbigd]

hmm a little fight called pac vs hoya? or pavlik vs hopkins? you got no leg to stand on. it's floyd who doesn't want to work with top rank not the other way around. blame floyd.

Bullshidt, dummy. Bob did the fight with Manny and Oscar because he knew Oscar was washed up and it would be a stepping stone for Manny.

Bob didn't make the fight with Floyd because he knew Floyd was a bad matchup for Manny and that is that.

17 day cutoff on blood? Please...

5 million dollars for each lb over the weight limit? Please...

running away from Floyd and setting up some bullshidt fight with Clottey 2 months later that bombed should have been your first signal Bob wanted no part of Floyd.

And Bob kept Cotto away from Mayweather also. And anyone who thinks Margacheato would have given Floyd problems is simply a little kid who shouldn't be allowed to post here.

[daggum]

2008 and 2008 that means 5 years. You can only come up with 2 fights when there are hundred of in-houses fights for both company. Thats a damn low ratio. And DLH cherrypicked Pac, he was sure he would beat Pac, so for him there was no risk and he thought he could hurt Top Rank badly by destroying their cow milk. Same think with Hopkins who was sure he could beat a lighter Pavlik and hurt Top Rank by destroying a cow milk ( it worked that time)

but your point was arum didn't work with golden boy so i proved that wrong. there have been more but obviously i don't remember every fight in boxing history. margarito-mosley is another and i'm sure we can come up with more if we had the time and patience.

you also said this "Both top rank and GBP dont want to put their biggest star against somebody from the other side, because if you lose, people wont care about your fighter and the other one will become really big. "

yet now you saying arum put 2 of his cash cows in fights where he thought they would probably lose. wouldn't that prove arum is willing to take risks with his fighters? why not give arum some credit instead of blaming him. when has floyd worked with top rank again?

[Marvellous1]

No one is trying to twist anything here. Just recalling the facts as I remember them. Mayweather wanted DLH, for a long, long time. I remember him calling that fight as far back as his post fight interview against Philip Ndou. He knew that was the holy grail to the kind of money he wanted to earn. Maybe he took a lower guarantee, but he knew he'd be making better money as his own boss (like DLH). If he was going to sign with anyone and have a promoter making money from his efforts, he wanted a higher guarantee. Considering the figures the fight did, the money WAS there and Arum missed a trick.

The Marg and Cotto fights were definitely bigger than Judah and Baldomir, no doubt and Mayweather should've taken them. If Arum had better foresight, the scenery of boxing might be very different. Too bad.

[daggum]

Bullshidt, dummy. Bob did the fight with Manny and Oscar because he knew Oscar was washed up and it would be a stepping stone for Manny.

Bob didn't make the fight with Floyd because he knew Floyd was a bad matchup for Manny and that is that.

17 day cutoff on blood? Please...

5 million dollars for each lb over the weight limit? Please...

running away from Floyd and setting up some bullshidt fight with Clottey 2 months later that bombed should have been your first signal Bob wanted no part of Floyd.

And Bob kept Cotto away from Mayweather also. And anyone who thinks Margacheato would have given Floyd problems is simply a little kid who shouldn't be allowed to post here.

pac agreed to all his demands and floyd says.....100-0 ppv cut in my favor! wow someone changing their demands like that certainly signals they want the fight. oh well turn down 100 million to fight guerrero for 30. this is what one would call ducking.

yep arum wanted to keep cotto away from floyd by offering floyd a career high payday to fight him....makes perfect logical sense to me!

[B Phontain]

i'm talking guarantee's. floyd only got a 10 million guarantee to fight hoya. he demanded a 20 mill guarantee from arum. obviously this would make no sense for arum to accept. the money wasn't there. floyd knew this. hence he priced himself out to avoid margarito and cotto, then after he left he took half his asking price. pretty simple really. somehow floyd fans twist this into arum not wanting floyd to fight cotto even though he offered him a huge career high payday for the fight. it makes no sense. it's like saying arum wouldn't guarantee floyd 500 million to fight pac. arum doesn't want the fight!

Your twisting that homie. Yes he did ask for a 20mil guarantee to fight OSCAR. And Arum didnt want to do it, it had no bearings on cotto or margo. Floyd agreed to fight margo for 8 mill if he could get 10mill for cotto or hatton. That was very very possible seeing as cotto more of a draw than margo. READ that again. he agreed but wanted 10ml for cotto or hatton: Which if im correct means he wanted the cotto fight right? I mean he asked for it right? He tried to get it in a contract right? Arum only offered floyd a bs 7 mill for cotto. your saying he arum offered floyd a career high payday for cotto? A mill less for cotto but 8 for margo? Floyd made 8 with baldo.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2420382

Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

and yes they were and probably still are in a money battle floyd feels arum owes him and Arum feels the same:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/fight-personal-floyd-mayweather-jr-bob-arum-article-1.286596

ayweather claims that Arum shortchanged him on matches against Arturo Gatti in 2005 and Zab Judah in 2006. In the lawsuit, Mayweather said he was due 85% of Top Rank's revenue from the Gatti fight and 80% from the Judah fight. He claims Arum has refused to turn over the records for accounting. Mayweather has asked for the statutory minimum of $10,000 on each of the five counts, but would be in line for millions in punitive damages on a breach of contract claim.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...#ixzz2UzdAuSCf

[B Phontain]

pac agreed to all his demands and floyd says.....100-0 ppv cut in my favor! wow someone changing their demands like that certainly signals they want the fight. oh well turn down 100 million to fight guerrero for 30. this is what one would call ducking.

yep arum wanted to keep cotto away from floyd by offering floyd a career high payday to fight him....makes perfect logical sense to me!

please provide a link where mayweather says he wants 100-0 ppv for the pac fight. I've only ever heard him say that he wasnt giving anybody 50/50....


I also like how you jumped to 3 years later when the poster was talking about the first (and only real) negotiations that took place between the 2. Forgetting to add the "oh manny has a bad cut it might not be healed in time for may 5" or my favorite " we have to build a stadium first"

[Marvellous1]

Your twisting that homie. Yes he did ask for a 20mil guarantee to fight OSCAR. And Arum didnt want to do it, it had no bearings on cotto or margo. Floyd agreed to fight margo for 8 mill if he could get 10mill for cotto or hatton. That was very very possible seeing as cotto more of a draw than margo. READ that again. he agreed but wanted 10ml for cotto or hatton: Which if im correct means he wanted the cotto fight right? I mean he asked for it right? He tried to get it in a contract right? Arum only offered floyd a bs 7 mill for cotto. your saying he arum offered floyd a career high payday for cotto? A mill less for cotto but 8 for margo? Floyd made 8 with baldo.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2420382

Arum said while Mayweather would have taken the $8 million to fight Margarito, he asked for a $10 million guarantee to fight opponents such as Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton, when Arum was only willing to guarantee $7 million.

Arum said Mayweather also asked for $20 million to fight De La Hoya, a fight Arum said he wasn't interested in participating in.

and yes they were and probably still are in a money battle floyd feels arum owes him and Arum feels the same:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/fight-personal-floyd-mayweather-jr-bob-arum-article-1.286596

ayweather claims that Arum shortchanged him on matches against Arturo Gatti in 2005 and Zab Judah in 2006. In the lawsuit, Mayweather said he was due 85% of Top Rank's revenue from the Gatti fight and 80% from the Judah fight. He claims Arum has refused to turn over the records for accounting. Mayweather has asked for the statutory minimum of $10,000 on each of the five counts, but would be in line for millions in punitive damages on a breach of contract claim.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...#ixzz2UzdAuSCf

Which emphasises my point that the fights we wanted to see, not happening, came down to money. Mayweather played a part in that and so did Arum.