Comments Thread For: Hunter: Canelo's Stamina Could Play Big Role With Floyd

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De ja vu or I literally dreamed this, as I scrolled down I was expecting you to bring up Mayweather's pace, weird weird experience.

To comment on this, I think if Canelo shows the same kind of fatigue he did against Trout, then Mayweather's pace may be a bit too overwhelming in the mid rounds. I'm interested in knowing how Canelo's conditioning will hold up, as I do see Floyd landing powerful straight right hands to the mid section.

I guess that means I'm a predictable poster. Somebody else pointed it out first though.

I might be alone in this but I don't think Canelo was particularly tired against Trout, I think he simply decided from the get go that he was gonna try to land single, hard well-placed shots to counter Trout's volume. He doesn't always fight like that, for example he was pretty busy against Mosley. He will have a completely different strategy against Floyd.

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I guess that means I'm a predictable poster. Somebody else pointed it out first though.

I might be alone in this but I don't think Canelo was particularly tired against Trout, I think he simply decided from the get go that he was gonna try to land single, hard well-placed shots to counter Trout's volume. He doesn't always fight like that, for example he was pretty busy against Mosley. He will have a completely different strategy against Floyd.

I disagree. Everyone has seen that fight and said the same. Even trainers are saying it. In the Trout fight, Canelo had a low work-rate yet he still had stamina issues. Now, I can get it if he has a high work-rate and tires out at the end of the fight ....

As an example, when Canelo knocked down Trout, Canelo for some reason was gassed out even though he didn't do much for most of that round. Trout did well after the knock down because Canelo had nothing in that tank. Why? He has stamina issues.

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It sure will.

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canelo didnt just start showing stamina problems in the trout fight

hes been pacing himself for a long time

he paces himself in fights he is dominating m.hatton, rhodes, mosely

maybe virgil hunters right in that due to canelo bodytype he has **** stamina

the one attribute a young fighter in his early twenties should have is youthful energy/stamina

their might not be much canelo could do to improve

by this point in his career i would have thought a boxer with 40 fights would have stamina part down

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Floyd's not the busiest fighter, and I don't think he wants to shoot rights to Canelo's body like he does to a lot of his opponents.

I don't think staminas going to be a huge issue in this fight. Floyd doesn't pump out the jab like Trout, and he's not going to be super active, because Canelo can move his head, and has crisp, powerful counters.

The more I think about it, the better chance I give Canelo.

he shoots the right mainly at SP's. Look for the left to the body in this fight, followed by the looping right upstairs. Floyd is going to jab the body and head and move. When he sees Canelo slowing down or fatiguing, he's then going to follow the jab to the body with looping rights to the head, the jab to the head with the straight right, and he will mix it all up with left hooks up and down. He will smother Canelo's left hook.

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I disagree. Everyone has seen that fight and said the same. Even trainers are saying it. In the Trout fight, Canelo had a low work-rate yet he still had stamina issues. Now, I can get it if he has a high work-rate and tires out at the end of the fight ....

As an example, when Canelo knocked down Trout, Canelo for some reason was gassed out even though he didn't do much for most of that round. Trout did well after the knock down because Canelo had nothing in that tank. Why? He has stamina issues.

So how come he threw 200 more punches against Mosley than he did against Trout? He was clearly more selective than usual. He does fight in spurts but they're usually not so few and far between. If you guys think he's gonna fight Floyd the same way he fought Trout and with the same work rate, I think you're gravely mistaken.

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I don't think Mayweather's workrate will exceed Alvarez' because Mayweather doesn't push the pace most of the time. He will keep his distance. Alvarez workrate looked especially lacking against Trout because he was continually pumping a jab, although it was ineffective, it was a backdrop for Alvarez inactivity a times.

But let me post some punch stats for various fights. Not punches landed because I think those are subjective, but punches thrown, which are less subjective.

Trout - 769; Alvarez 431

Guerrero - 581; Mayweather - 476

Mosley - 745; Alvarez 673

Mayweather - 687; Cotto - 506

Alvarez - 590; Rhodes - 343

Mayweather - 477; Mosley - 452

Alvarez - 626; Hatton - 546

Marquez - 583; Mayweather - 493

Just some of the most recent 12-rounders. I don't derive from this that Mayweather will overwhelm Canelo with activity at any point, even after the 1st six rounds where the Mayweather fans propose that Canelo will start to gas out and Mayweather will then take over and dominate.

I think the workrate of each will be somewhat equal. You won't see Mayweather throwing 200 more punches than Alvarez. I could even see Alvarez throwing more than Mayweather. It is a matter of whose punches will be more effective. I think Canelo has got what it takes. This is the first top-rated prime young fighter Mayweather has consented to face in a long time and it will be his undoing.

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I think Floyd would definitely want to shoot those right's to the body. He has no reason why he can't. Canelo tires easy, he'll be at an unfamiliar weight, those loaded missing hooks he throws and the body jabs he receives will make him tire quicker.

Floyd's jab is quicker than Canelo's head, and the counters he dishes are coming at Floyd's shoulder.

You have to take into account that Floyd's a lot quicker and more active than Trout. So the defense, head movement and counters you saw Canelo showcasing will look a little different when he's in there with a speedy son of a gun like Floyd.

Canelo is a sharp counter puncher and he also has a nice uppercut. He is pretty good at sensing when the other guy is about to throw and he has a pause before he punches just like Floyd does. I think Floyd will try to go to the body early but Canelo will soon catch him with a straight right counter down the pike and force him to rethink that option.

Floyd doesn't want to trade with this kid, I guarantee you that, maybe he will for a short time to try and prove a point but it's only going to take one Canelo combination and a liver shot for Floyd to be all over that ring, anywhere but within Canelo's punching range. This fight will eventually turn into a Floyd hit and run contest because Canelo is not not just strong, he is fast as well.

Canelo does get hit but he eats those punches like candy most of the time and just keeps moving forward. Floyd is a one punch artist for the most part now and one punch at a time isn't going to keep Canelo off of him. Canelo is a 2 or 3 punch artist at best but he mixes his punches up well which I think will be his best weapon against Floyd. If you feint a punch that you hit him with last time yet throw something different and do that almost every time you start a combo, he won't know which way to turn and will eventually resort to tying up on the inside. If you can force Floyd to give up distance and occupy his hands so they can't effectively counter, you are taking him out of his plan which is half the battle alone.

Canelo can't lose a step though because that's when Floyd will run away on the cards. He had better focus on cardio and putting in 12 hard rounds because I don't think he will KO Floyd or at least he shouldn't bank on it.

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Don't you just love people who are trying to accuse Austin Trout of being a bum...
These are the same people saying he was the best Jr MW and that he would beat Canelo convincingly.

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SOG is saying the same thing