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[IronMike86]

The context you're providing is ****, and I'll be happy to knock it back quick, but lets deal with the facts first. I need to see links for Pac rehydration clauses.

Dude Cotto was a 147er when Pac made him drop 2 lbs. Did you start watching boxing yesterday?

yea, I just started watching youtube clips and now I'm a professional analyst!

Total brain fart about Cotto's weight at the time. Was thinking of the weight he came in at fight now (154-160). You're right though, he was a welterweight at the time of the CW.

Regarding the rehydration clause, there are conflicting reports about it. Some say there were clauses in the DLH and the Hatton fights, others say there wasn't. That can be thrown away and there still are disparities.

Miguel Cotto was the champ at welterweight, didn't want to fight at the catchweight with his belt on the line, yet he was threatened to have his belt snatched should he not take the challenge against the #1 contender in Pacquiao. When I stated words such as "accommodation" and "compromise", this is what I mean in the difference between the CW negotiations between Pacquiao and his opponnents vs Mayweather and Canelo's CW. There was some real shady **** that went down in the Cotto fight negotiations.

Against Margarito,the CW was 150 lbs, a full 4 pounds below the junior middleweight threshold. A weight that Pacquiao never fought at, and wasn't even ranked in.

IDK, I just find it odd that people are making such a big deal over a 2 pound catchweight when:
1. It is a weight that both camps agreed to with no problem
2. Canelo is young enough for his body to deal with adjusting the 2 pounds
3. It's only 2 pounds
4. Mayweather is the champ in both divisions, so it's not like he's moving up to a higher division and demanding that that divisions' champ move down to a catchweight
5. Mayweather really had all the leverage in the world and could've ducked this fight outright.. Meeting at a 2 lb catchweight could've easily been made 4-6 lbs.. Hell, Mayweather could've demanded Canelo move down to Welterweight to fight him. Of course, Canelo wouldn't have done it (as he shouldn't), but what i'm saying is Mayweather could've found ways to duck.

The only thing that could've made this catchweight shady imo, is if it was more than 2 pounds, or if Canelo was forced to put his belt on the line or be stripped of his title (ala what happened in the Cotto Pacquiao negotiations), or a rehydration clause.

[violaandme]

Well for one, it's an accommodation because it isn't the typical catchweight that has tainted many title bouts: catchweights with re-hydration clause, catchweights will 4-9 pound disparities. 152 is not a typical catchweight, it's extremely minimal and therefore much more of a compromise than the typical "shot caller" would give.

Example? Pacquiao requiring Cotto to drain from 154 to 145. Making Margarito go down to 151.. De La Hoya had to go to 147.. These disparities can make a huge difference in a fight and really drain a fighter. We're talking about 7-9 lbs swings.. Mayweather Cotto is only a 2 pound drop from Canelo's typical weigh-in. How is that not an accommodation from a "shot-calling" p4p king that really could've asked Canelo to come down to welterweight and/or even put in a rehydration clause to futher his advantage?

the fight is at Junior Middle Weight!!!!!! dipshnit if he asked him to fight at 147lbs why would he its a fight for a JMW belt accommadation please

[IronMike86]

the fight is at Junior Middle Weight!!!!!! dipshnit if he asked him to fight at 147lbs why would he its a fight for a JMW belt accommadation please

LOL wow some people hear really can't debate without insulting the other.. I'm aware it's a JMW. We weren't discussing whether or not there SHOULD be a catchweight, we were discussing the differences between this CW and the CWs that Manny imposed upon his opponents in the past.

[Reloaded]

LOL wow some people hear really can't debate without insulting the other.. I'm aware it's a JMW. We weren't discussing whether or not there SHOULD be a catchweight, we were discussing the differences between this CW and the CWs that Manny imposed upon his opponents in the past.

Woah ironmike , they don't want to compare Mannys CWs because Manny looks really bad .

Manny fought at both sides of Cotto at 147 , why didn't he fight Cotto at 147 LOL

Manny fought Margo at 150 ,for a 154 title why didn't he fight Margo at 152 LOL and why didn't he fight Cotto at 147 .

Oscar had not weighed in at 147 for over 10 years , Oscar had not been 147 on fight night since he was a LW , Manny out weighed Oscar on fight night .

Why did Manny refuse to fight Cotto at 154 , its the same boxer , the Pac ******s even say it was a better Cotto at 145 , then why call him out and then refuse because of the extra weight , I know why because the 154 Cotto runs over Manny .

[FrankieBruno]

Well I watched that fight but actually I was reminded by a article.

Canelo was 20 then. You don't completely fill out til your mid 20s. He's going to struggle making this weight.

It just shocks me that people think Floyd is in the right along for a cw. Why leave doubt in people's minds unless you think you need some sort of advantage?

Stop making up ur own version of science

You don't know how Canelos body works

Canelo has come into the ring 149, 151 in recent fights

If he struggles to make 151, then that also means he would struggle to make 154, thus it would make no difference

[HeroBando]

yea, I just started watching youtube clips and now I'm a professional analyst!

Total brain fart about Cotto's weight at the time. Was thinking of the weight he came in at fight now (154-160). You're right though, he was a welterweight at the time of the CW.

Regarding the rehydration clause, there are conflicting reports about it. Some say there were clauses in the DLH and the Hatton fights, others say there wasn't. That can be thrown away and there still are disparities.

Miguel Cotto was the champ at welterweight, didn't want to fight at the catchweight with his belt on the line, yet he was threatened to have his belt snatched should he not take the challenge against the #1 contender in Pacquiao. When I stated words such as "accommodation" and "compromise", this is what I mean in the difference between the CW negotiations between Pacquiao and his opponnents vs Mayweather and Canelo's CW. There was some real shady **** that went down in the Cotto fight negotiations.

Against Margarito,the CW was 150 lbs, a full 4 pounds below the junior middleweight threshold. A weight that Pacquiao never fought at, and wasn't even ranked in.

IDK, I just find it odd that people are making such a big deal over a 2 pound catchweight when:
1. It is a weight that both camps agreed to with no problem
2. Canelo is young enough for his body to deal with adjusting the 2 pounds
3. It's only 2 pounds
4. Mayweather is the champ in both divisions, so it's not like he's moving up to a higher division and demanding that that divisions' champ move down to a catchweight
5. Mayweather really had all the leverage in the world and could've ducked this fight outright.. Meeting at a 2 lb catchweight could've easily been made 4-6 lbs.. Hell, Mayweather could've demanded Canelo move down to Welterweight to fight him. Of course, Canelo wouldn't have done it (as he shouldn't), but what i'm saying is Mayweather could've found ways to duck.

The only thing that could've made this catchweight shady imo, is if it was more than 2 pounds, or if Canelo was forced to put his belt on the line or be stripped of his title (ala what happened in the Cotto Pacquiao negotiations), or a rehydration clause.

You don't need to write a novel to backtrack, doesn't work either way. Links for rehydration clauses?

OK, let me explain some differences:

Pac asked for his 1st CW coming up to his 7th division. Once he realized he can handle the weight, he never again requested a CW in his 7th division. Once he realized he can't handle his 8th division, he was upfront about it and dropped the belt on the spot.

The other guy boasts about being 2x champ in his 5th division and conceding his opponent the full 154. He holds on to the belt for a year+. Then he admits the weight is too much, he can only handle his 5th division against past prime guys that started 140 or lower.

Why do you suppose there's many examples of guys asking for CWs while moving up (tho not to 7th division, everybody does it sooner), but hardly any of champs asking for a CW where they hold a belt? Cause it's very much unbecoming of a champ, an automatic "paper champ" tag. Only the worst of paper champs stoop that low. But none of these paper champs said something like his:

"I look at Miguel Cotto as an undefeated fighter because he faced Pacquiao, but Pacquiao caught him at a catch weight. He wasn't the best Miguel Cotto. He was drained. He wasn't hydrated."

^^^^^ We'll be going over this a bit more, but don't forget those rehydration links.

[Da Machine]

Stop making up ur own version of science

You don't know how Canelos body works

Canelo has come into the ring 149, 151 in recent fights

If he struggles to make 151, then that also means he would struggle to make 154, thus it would make no difference

2 years is recent?

Huh, that makes no sense..

What a cluster fuck of a post..... Seriously. It would be useless to rebut you.

So here, watch this in awe. It's more on your level.

[HeroBando]

Woah ironmike , they don't want to compare Mannys CWs because Manny looks really bad .

Manny fought at both sides of Cotto at 147 , why didn't he fight Cotto at 147 LOL

Manny fought Margo at 150 ,for a 154 title why didn't he fight Margo at 152 LOL and why didn't he fight Cotto at 147 .

Oscar had not weighed in at 147 for over 10 years , Oscar had not been 147 on fight night since he was a LW , Manny out weighed Oscar on fight night .

Why did Manny refuse to fight Cotto at 154 , its the same boxer , the Pac ******s even say it was a better Cotto at 145 , then why call him out and then refuse because of the extra weight , I know why because the 154 Cotto runs over Manny .

IronMike is clueless. He thinks Cotto was a 154er when he fought Pac. He thinks Pac used CWs for DLH, Cotto, and Hatton (that's a new one). And here he's writing historical tomes. No wonder you feel kinship, too many facts make reloaded head hurt.

[FrankieBruno]

2 years is recent?

Huh, that makes no sense..

What a cluster fuck of a post..... Seriously. It would be useless to rebut you.

So here, watch this in awe. It's more on your level.

Its recent for a professional boxers who only fights a small number of fights per year

Like I said if Canelo struggles to make 151, then he will also struggle to make 154, thus he doesn't belong in that weight class in the first place

Stop looking for excuses to justify Canelo loss and not to applaud Floyd win and vice versa.

Canelo is a young guy 2lbs should be easy for him. He's had a weight advantage over a number of opponents in the past, time to try and even up the odds.

[Da Machine]

Its recent for a professional boxers who only fights a small number of fights per year

Like I said if Canelo struggles to make 151, then he will also struggle to make 154, thus he doesn't belong in that weight class in the first place

Stop looking for excuses to justify Canelo loss and not to applaud Floyd win and vice versa.

Canelo is a young guy 2lbs should be easy for him. He's had a weight advantage over a number of opponents in the past, time to try and even up the odds.

Again, huh??? How many times you fight a year has nothing to do with growth, aging, and your body filling out. 2 years is 2 years whether you fight once or twenty times.

I'm not looking for excuses. If you want to think that then fine.

He didn't have a weight advantage over Trout, his best win.