Has Mayweather a more important victory than Rigo over Nonito???

[ADP02]

Roach knew Oscar was finished which is why he took the fight. Why are you having such a hard time with comprehending that

lol .... like I said, I even stated that Roach knew that Oscar was NOT the prime Oscar that some remember .... unfortunately, when its turned around and stated that Roach said that because of how he looked against Floyd, Floyd fans get all defensive about it.

AGAIN, Oscar was not the same. I knew it, Roach knew it Floyd knew it but Floyd's (some) fans can't admit to that.

Floyd said BEFORE the fight with Mosley "My game plan will take into consideration that Mosley is OLD ..... but AGAIN, Floyd fans ignore even what Floyd said because it goes against protecting Floyd.

If it was prime Oscar , Floyd would not be favored to win and therefore would get more credit for it.

Even though it was not prime Oscar, people thought he would beat Manny very easily. Some including uncle Roger said it was a joke of a fight. So because Manny demolished Oscar (Floyd won by split decision) that is why Manny got relatively more credit but the fact was that both fought a past it Oscar.

[Pacquiao'd]

Roach knew Oscar was finished which is why he took the fight. Why are you having such a hard time with comprehending that

he said it on 247 and interviews plenty of times but of course these clowns want to ignore it

[ADP02]

What a load of crock.

So why is Manny doing testing now when it was bad for his health in 2010?

Most probably because Rios/Marquez have a physical trainer that admitted to giving his athletes PEDs and admitted that he can beat any current test out there today. So possibly, Heredia can mask the PEDS so the testing will be meaningless ... but that is all they have.

So I said why and I think its all valid NOT a load of crock.


Those who say that Manny was avoiding testing for all those years is the real crock:
From DAY 1, Manny was OK with doing extra testing but he didn't initially bend over backwards to a guy who ACCUSED him of doing PEDS with NO PROOF and may have affected Manny's reputation, which is not good, in the boxing world and/or his political one. So I'm surprised that he even went that far initially BUT as a fan of boxing, wished he accepted.

Floyd fans said AFTER 2010, when Floyd took the cutoffs off the table, "All Manny has to do is accept random testing up to the day of the fight. If Floyd puts another roadblock then we will agree that its Floyd that is ducking"

Well, those Floyd fans are a crock and keep on ignoring that Manny accepted Floyd's request way before Heredia got into the picture.

Last point: Even with Heredia and his criminal background and the visible physical transformation of Marquez, Manny still fought him twice. That is, he didn't refuse to fight him. Floyd refused to fight Manny even after accepting the tests.

[Grimgash]

And prime Corrales is better than Nonito in your opinion????

Yes prime Corrales is better than Nonito. Ranked #3 p4p at time...has a better resume. Chico was the man at one point. Floyd also won that fight in much more impressive fashion than Rigo beat Doniare.

[ADP02]

I see your point if it was only Rios getting tested. But Manny is taking tests too...so why can he take them now without any health effects but they were so scary in 2010?

Again, Manny was willing to take the tests but they couldn't agree on the cutoff dates initially BUT then Manny even accepted when Floyd took his initial cutoff dates off the table. Again, during the initial negotiations, I was surprised that Manny went that far considering Floyd ACCUSED Manny of taking PEDs with no proof.

Manny also stated that Floyd may be playing psychological game because Manny was worried taking the tests close to the fight. Especially after what happened just prior to the Morales fight. He felt weak.

Why now? Both didn't agree initially to the terms ... BUT If you look at it all, you would realize that one fighter kept on giving in more since the initial negotiations while another kept on adding roadblocks. The reason why is that "Manny wanted it MORE than Floyd and gave in" and said "OK, I will even take the test in between rounds" ..... exaggerating of course but he wanted to make it clear to everyone that he wanted the fight and it was up to Floyd.

[Jcsuper]

I wouldn't say Corrales was Floyd greatest win but that win is comparable to the measurability of Rigondeaux win over Donaire. The sad thing is Floyd win was not only close but also at that point in his career was even greater. Corrales was Top 5 P4P universally, knocking out everybody in two weight classes, and undefeated. Rigondeaux master class was brilliant against Donaire but he did get knocked down right on his ass in the 10th round, and didn't stop Donaire after that but he did abused him as I said he would. Donaire in my opinion was never as his hype suggested, so what Rigondeaux did to him wasn't in the least surprising. Mayweather masterclass against Corrales was absolute **** in route to a TKO, to Corrales dismay but it was the right call after being knocked down the fifth time. Also Mayweather have never been knocked down on his ass, and have better skills in the inside game and when his legs are in trouble. Donaire is dookie compared to Corrales..

This right here ^^^^

[DannYankee]

Sorry, I don't think I made your point because your point was basically : "when has Mayweather fought when the odds were against him?", not did he fight everyone he should have.

The odds haven't been against him for a long, long time. You can't level that at someone for being too good, or like I said, level the same on at Wlad. I'm not going to get into the great "ducking" debate as it's been done to death and back. Did you read one of my previous posts?

I basically stated the point that history is full of boxers with a massive win their careers? Some that can be judged as bigger than any in Mayweather's career. But how many have performed so consistantly well at Mayweather's level? Even if it isn't always at the level WE want, it is still pretty high. If anyone could do it, surely more would.

So again, does one massive win make a career and does the lack of one (but traded for very good ones) break a career? What exactly is the point trying to be made here?

Not the odds to be against him or ducking but lets say there are 3 fighters one has 40% chance of beating him the other 30% and the other 20% he always goes for the 20% guy >always< he never picked a guy that you thought oh **** that's gonna be a fight Corrales maybe? shiett i don't even remember that fight anymore. You're saying that he's so awesome that there's never been one fighter that fit that description that got side stepped? i beg to differ.

It is true there hasn't been many but over the years guys names have come up that at the time that would have made for a good fight, regardless if Mayweather was a favorite or not and all we can do is speculate now because we never actually saw those fights (with the exception of a 5 year past due Cotto fight) . And remember this is measuring in a single fight basis (not the career) is obvious Floyd's career is Rigo's times 5 right now but as a one single most defining victory Floyd never had one such as Rigondeaux just did.

[RespekonMyName]

Had Floyd faced Pacquiao in 2010 right after he demolished both Hatton and Cotto, the odds would have been extremely close with neither fighter coming in as a big favorite.

I think Floyd was a 3-1 favorite when everyone thought the fight would be made.

[Almondsand]

Again, Manny was willing to take the tests but they couldn't agree on the cutoff dates initially BUT then Manny even accepted when Floyd took his initial cutoff dates off the table. Again, during the initial negotiations, I was surprised that Manny went that far considering Floyd ACCUSED Manny of taking PEDs with no proof.

Manny also stated that Floyd may be playing psychological game because Manny was worried taking the tests close to the fight. Especially after what happened just prior to the Morales fight. He felt weak.

Why now? Both didn't agree initially to the terms ... BUT If you look at it all, you would realize that one fighter kept on giving in more since the initial negotiations while another kept on adding roadblocks. The reason why is that "Manny wanted it MORE than Floyd and gave in" and said "OK, I will even take the test in between rounds" ..... exaggerating of course but he wanted to make it clear to everyone that he wanted the fight and it was up to Floyd.

As you fanatics of Pacman say Manny Pacquiao is fearless and take on all challenges, you state he was worried of Mayweather using psychological tactics on him? That is the most sorry excuse I ever heard from a fighter, someone who is worried about someone having a mental edge over them. I remember the first negotiations that Pacquiao and his team was giving much more demands and Mayweather's camp only asked for blood. Then I remember hearing that Pacquiao crumbling after that and then emails were exchanged where one camp asked if their fighter was caught what would be the consequence. Anyway the fact is this... Pacquiao in his most dominant form always had an advantage over his opponents, due to catchweights and other clauses he had put in the contracts. He never fought anyone when he was stated as P4P #1 off of their best performances or at their absolute best but as they were damaged goods of which he can take advantage of.. He weighed more than De La Hoya on their fight night.. That is all.

Nonito Donaire is dookie compared to anyone Floyd fought to be honest.

[Frank Ducketts]

First they were criticizing Donaires comp. Then when Rigo won, they propped up Donaire as this monster Rigo beat. Then Matthysse wins, and now he's the best, and that Floyd won't fight him.

Now Floyd is scared of Canelo.

You're all running around with your heads cut off not knowing wtf to post, lmao! And it's the same old posters too.

Rigo can't fight anyone less than Donaire. Rigo has to fight Mares, Garcia, Santa Cruz or Russell Jr from here on out or he is a coward cherry picker.