Who is NSB most overrated fighter?

[New England]

Rigondeaux's reputation had virtually nothing to do with his demolition of Rico Ramos, NE. What guys like myself and a few others saw went past Rigo's pro exploits, which were obviously very thin at the time. Our "rating" was based on his apparent skills and ability, something Guillermo convincingly proved versus Donaire. When I think of an "overrated fighter," I think of someone who isn't likely to live up to the hype. "El Chacal" doesn't look like that guy.

this is a thread about NSB, and the ridiculous rigondeaux rhetoric here started after that fight.


what rigondeaux had done until the donaire victory was overrated, which is what i said in my post. his skills and abilities were overrated, at least in terms of his ability to be effective as a professional boxer. it's fine to say you saw potential. anybody who watches boxing could tell that he had a ton of talent / potential. his performances in the pros before that fight were overrated. he needed to get a big pro win to validate it, and until then he hadn't. he often fought like a fighter who had ~ 10 pro fights, but people would forget that and only remember the few spots / rounds where he looked spectacular. he had never looked that good consistently, nevermind against a world class fighter. before the donaire fight his performances were overrated. that was the first time he had put everything together for 12 rounds, and against a top fighter to boot.

i'm not saying that he's overrated now, but he was overrated on nsb from the time he beat ramos to the time he beat donaire.

[New England]

I don't like to say Matthyse, but quite a few posters on this site act like he's this unstoppable rampaging beast.

he's probably overrated by those people


now, if he ravages peterson's soul tonight he won't be overrated. and i'll be wrong. i think he wins close on points.

i don't mind being wrong, for sure. ****e of life, innit, you handsome devil?

[Kuyukut]

Mayweather
Broner
Garcia
Cotto
Lara
Rigo
Ward

You sir are an unbiased boxing fan and you know a lot about the sport of boxing. I’ll send green K as soon as the system allows me.

Excellent list...

[CubanGuyNYC]

he and pacquiao are considered the greatest of all time by some, though. this is an evaluation of the overrating that goes on in nsb, which isn't the most logical place.

you see both being horribly overrated.

If we're talking that GOAT nonsense, then I agree...both overrated. But today? Mayweather is the best, P4P. Manny is still up there. No shame in being put to sleep by an ATG in Marquez. Duran, a consensus top-ten (top-five?) ATG was demolished in two by another ATG, Hearns. Tommy was, in turn, demolished by yet another ATG in Hagler. It's the circle of life.

[El Angel]

Leo Santa Cruz. It's easy to look like a pressure fighting monster when your best opponent is a shot Eric Morel. Not that he isn't good, but IMO Mares would box circles around him.

Robert Guerrero. It finally showed in the Floyd fight, tries so hard in every fight, but is not that gifted.

Andre Berto. Athletic dude who puts on boxing gloves every six months or so. Has heart, but he's not a boxer.

[Derranged]

he's probably overrated by those people


now, if he ravages peterson's soul tonight he won't be overrated. and i'll be wrong. i think he wins close on points.

i don't mind being wrong, for sure. ****e of life, innit, you handsome devil?

I'm usually wrong, it would be nice to be right once in a while.

[Fetta]

Haye
Kessler
Nonito
Bradley

[CubanGuyNYC]

this is a thread about NSB, and the ridiculous rigondeaux rhetoric here started after that fight.


what rigondeaux had done until the donaire victory was overrated, which is what i said in my post. his skills and abilities were overrated, at least in terms of his ability to be effective as a professional boxer. it's fine to say you saw potential. anybody who watches boxing could tell that he had a ton of talent / potential. his performances in the pros before that fight were overrated. he needed to get a big pro win to validate it, and until then he hadn't. he often fought like a fighter who had ~ 10 pro fights, but people would forget that and only remember the few spots / rounds where he looked spectacular. he had never looked that good consistently, nevermind against a world class fighter. before the donaire fight his performances were overrated. that was the first time he had put everything together for 12 rounds, and against a top fighter to boot.

i'm not saying that he's overrated now, but he was overrated on nsb from the time he beat ramos to the time he beat donaire.

You make plenty of fair points here, NE. One fact remains, however: Rigondeaux convincingly proved his worth against a top-five P4P fighter, thereby demonstrating that he was never really overrated in the first place. Had "El Chacal" lost badly, he then would've been overrated.

[New England]

You make plenty of fair points here, NE. One fact remains, however: Rigondeaux convincingly proved his worth against a top-five P4P fighter, thereby demonstrating that he was never really overrated in the first place. Had "El Chacal" lost badly, he then would've been overrated.

again, you're talking about potential. he's always looked like he had potential. he had some very bad rounds, and people forget them. he almost lost to ricardo cordoba, who was at the end of his career. he beat rico ramos and the reaction was ridiculous. they were talking about a fighter with great potential like he was a great fighter. that's overrating him. a fighter is judged by he accomplishes and how he performs, not his potential. i think most of it came from his amateur background, but also because there was a huge backlash against the major promotors at the time for not making the pacquaio-mayweather jr fight. that sounds crazy, but that's how this place works. it could have been anybody, but nsb chose rigondeaux as one of it's underdog heroes.

we're talking about NSB, not the general consensus of knowledgable fans. we don't need to get into a discussion of semantics, but it's important to recognize the distinction for our discussion.

[New England]

I'm usually wrong, it would be nice to be right once in a while.

you know, if you bet the opposite of your picks you could make some real cashe