Comments Thread For: Fighting Words: Should Floyd Face the Best of 154, 160?

[DLT]

Well it is an argument. Weird to say it's not. He has a belt and a high ranking there. He should clearly say he doesn't want to fight there because its too heavy, then drop the belt and ranking. Then it'd be fine. But instead, he goes on and says how he knocks out junior middleweights and middleweights, and he'd fight anyone.

Beyond it all though, it just highlights this era of boxing. It's a sin to suggest someone should go up in weight because of this highly prized 0 or undefeated streak. It's pathetic. You have to dare to be great. Compare Jones to Mayweather, and you see my point. Right now, you can claim to be the greatest, but there's so many if's and buts after it, it's ridiculous. I.e Mayweather is the greatest, but only if he fights here, and at 147. Yawn.

I'd say the same about Manny Pacquiao too. But at least he admitted 154 was too much for him. That's how Floyd should go to instead of fooling the casual fans here.

How can you say that about a guy who has titles in 5 weight divisions and has always been P4P the smallest or one of the smallest guys in boxing?

You act like Floyd started at WW. He's fought in 5 divisions. You got Froch in your avy. How many has he fought in? Why didnt he dare to be great? Why didnt Hagler dare to be great?

The last person you should be talking about going up in weight is Floyd. He's went up in weight higher than 99% of the guys in boxing. Its funnny how Floyd is a very small WW, is demanded to go up and fight a super huge JR. MW who is bigger than most MW's. If he doesnt then he's a coward.

At the same exact time I see people make threads sometimes asking how a guy like Trout would do against triple G. All the responses say he shouldnt move up because he will get killed. The same Trout who is bigger than most MW's but he cant even go up 1 division. He's not a coward though. Floyd is small, goes to 5 and he's a coward. You people are sooo funny

[DLT]

Floyd had Alfredo Angulo on his list of possibles for his Showtime contract. Wonder what weight he was going to fight him at.

He's got Canelo on the list also. Its just a list

[flat1985]

Man you sound crazy. How can you say that about a guy who has titles in 5 weight divisions and has always been P4P the smallest or one of the smallest guys in boxing?

You act like Floyd started at WW. He's fought in 5 divisions. You got Froch in your avy. How many has he fought in? Why didnt he dare to be great? Why didnt Hagler dare to be great?

The last person you should be talking about going up in weight is Floyd. He's went up in weight higher than 99% of the guys in boxing. Its funnny how Floyd is a very small WW, is demanded to go up and fight a super huge JR. MW who is bigger than most MW's. If he doesnt then he's a coward.

At the same exact time I see people make threads sometimes asking how a guy like Trout would do against triple G. All the responses say he shouldnt move up because he will get killed. The same Trout who is bigger than most MW's but he cant even go up 1 division. He's not a coward though. Floyd is small, goes to 5 and he's a coward. You people are sooo funny

Dont you want him to fight Canelo?

[josenoway]

He did step on the scale. 150 against Ortiz. Oh whut, you think he did that on purpose to look better? lmao.

Dude drinks ******** SODA during camp, was 148 at at the WBC's 30-day weigh in against Ghost (who weighed 159), and came in at 146 on weigh-in.

WTF you talking about pre-2007 figures?

DLH fight was in 2007
Ortiz fight was in 2011
Cotto fight was in 2012
Ghost fight was just this year.

Keep fantasizing kid.

Dude I don't care to speculate, but I'm certainly not taking him at his word if he refuses to step on the scale. I'm not taking Marquez' or Nacho's word for it either, despite being more credible, in general.

And you wanting to use pre 2007 figures, lmao. Tim freaking Bradley just went up 10lbs fight night in 1 fight. Guerrero went up a division after Aydin. Peterson went up 9lbs after Ortiz. But Floyd is forever 150, really no bigger than midget JMM. You must have missed that fight?

[HeroBando]

He did step on the scale. 150 against Ortiz. Oh whut, you think he did that on purpose to look better? lmao.

Dude drinks ******** SODA during camp, was 148 at at the WBC's 30-day weigh in against Ghost (who weighed 159), and came in at 146 on weigh-in.

WTF you talking about pre-2007 figures?

DLH fight was in 2007
Ortiz fight was in 2011
Cotto fight was in 2012
Ghost fight was just this year.

Keep fantasizing kid.

He stepped on the scale fight night 1 time since 2007, you're not even trying to deny it. I really thought he'd do it this time since he was on weight early, but no luck. It was really con****uous, they showed them for every other fight on the card. But best of all was his camp manager claiming he was 147 vs Cotto, after passing on yet another weighin

[josenoway]

Oh right, he came in 4 pounds UNDER the JMW limit for DLH, 3 pounds UNDER the JMW limit for Cotto, and 1 pound UNDER the WW limit for Ghost.

I mean, phuck, I'm just at a loss for words, that totally means Floyd's a big a$$ dude.

pac stans.

smh.

He stepped on the scale fight night 1 time since 2007, you're not even trying to deny it. I really thought he'd do it this time since he was on weight early, but no luck. It was really con****uous, they showed them for every other fight on the card. But best of all was his camp manager claiming he was 147 vs Cotto, after passing on yet another weighin

[HeroBando]

he was 148 a week before the fight. he doesnt dehydrate to make weight and thats what separates him from other fighters and keeps his conditioning so superb. when he's 147 he's a healthy 147 of muscle. Guerrero had to dehydrate to make weight at that fight. he was i think 159 at the 2 week mark. if he could put on the weight healthily then by all means. but I doubt it at his age.

keeping his fighting weight right near his walking around weight is what maximizes his longevity and performance ability. You take a guy like Ortiz who might be 147 of muscle. Then add all that water weight. Canelo 154 of muscle, then add 20 pounds of water weight. It's ****** and it does no good for your body in the long run. Floyd always comes in as the smaller fighter, but also normally comes in as the more fit fighter. No stamina issues, he doesnt gas out, because thats his actual weight. he's not carrying around anything extra, and his body doesnt have to go through adaptation periods over night.



i dont think he should, but he looks like he's 20. he could probably go up if he wanted to.

thats ridiculous that he looks like that though. I know dudes my age (19) who are WASHED UP.

That's great, but why won't he step on the same day scale? He's done it 1 time in the past 6 years

[HeroBando]

Oh right, he came in 4 pounds UNDER the JMW limit for DLH, 3 pounds UNDER the JMW limit for Cotto, and 1 pound UNDER the WW limit for Ghost.

I mean, phuck, I'm just at a loss for words, that totally means Floyd's a big a$$ dude.

pac stans.

smh.

You forgot him missing the contracted 144 CW by 2 lbs

[DLT]

Dont you want him to fight Canelo?

I was actually going to respond to your last post and say there's a difference. Everyone would wanna see Floyd-Canelo? Who wouldnt?

There are alot of fights I would wanna see. Floyd's one of the best ever so I would wanna see him fight alot of guys at 154. I would wanna see him fight guys at 160 including triple G. I would even like to see a fight with Ward. If they announced a Ward fight right now, wouldnt you watch? Wouldnt it be by far the biggest fight in boxing?

My point is just because you wouldnt mind seeing something doesnt mean you cant understand why it might not happened. That is unless you got to the point where you either wanna see him lose or dont care if he loses or not. If you say you dont care if he loses and thats how it should be then fine but dont all of assudden try to discredit his whole career if he does because thats what will happen.

It all at the end comes back to fairness. I wanna see those fights but is it fair? Are you asking that of anyone else in boxing? Its not like Floyd has fought at one weight his whole life and you are asking him to just move up one or fight one bigger guy. He's fought in 5 classes. Its also not like he's prime. He's past his prime. Its also not like he's still kinda young. He's going on 37.

Again, when it comes to Pac. That fight shouldve happend. There is no excuse for that. Those guys had to make it happen. This is nearly 25 pounds. Its not the same thing. Now it comes back to Floyd being too good. You 1st have to give him credit and aknowledge he's too good. You have to say that these fights at 140-147 are bad fighters but they just arent on your level. You have to admit that 1st.

Then you have to say that we know its not fair but youre so good that we dont wanna see you in a fight unless you are at a big disadvantage. Is it really fair to say that we want you in a fight where you might lose so these are the guys you have to fight? We arent doing that to anyone else. We arent telling Ward he has to fight a Cruiser. We wont even make him go to LHW.

Same for Froch and so on

[Lords]

Should Floyd fight the best at 154? Who's honestly a threat to Floyd at 154? Nobody is.
Floyd beats Canelo fairly easy, and when he does the excuses will start pouring in. "Canelo doesnt have top fighter experience or Canelo was to young," blah blah. Then the hate will move towards Floyd not wanting to fight Manny, and when he does and mopps the floor with him the excuses will come pouring in yet again.. "Floyd didnt fight a prime Manny because he was scared.." blah blah. The hate for Floyd will never stop. Floyd could beat every top fighter at 147/154/160 and the excuse will be that he didnt fight them in their primes.