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[Devils Advocate]

Once his speed and reflexes go, he's not going to be the same.

No necessarily true, once Floyd's speed and reflexes leave he will find other ways to win. Floyd's reflexes are not the freakish reflexes of Roy Jones but rather Floyd's ability to time his opponents and understand where he needs to be to get out if harms way.

Call me crazy but I think Devon Alexander gives Floyd a rough fight. He has decent speed and fast feet but let me stress its a fight I don't want to see. Mayweather vs. Khan could be fun while it lasted but against any flat footed guys like Garcia, Matthesee and probably even Peterson and they all get beaten by Floyd.

[joesaiditstrue]

No necessarily true, once Floyd's speed and reflexes leave he will find other ways to win. Floyd's reflexes are not the freakish reflexes of Roy Jones but rather Floyd's ability to time his opponents and understand where he needs to be to get out if harms way.

Call me crazy but I think Devon Alexander gives Floyd a rough fight. He has decent speed and fast feet but let me stress its a fight I don't want to see. Mayweather vs. Khan could be fun while it lasted but against any flat footed guys like Garcia, Matthesee and probably even Peterson and they all get beaten by Floyd.

Devin will be tough for Floyd the same way Judah was, but Floyd will figure him out within 4 rounds because Devin, Judah, Guerrero, Ortiz, all southpaws that aren't able to make adjustments. So many things make Floyd great, his reflexes, timing, ability to put his opponent where he wants them and be where he himself wants to be. He can move into a southpaws power hand and not get hit by it, just really remarkable what he does in there. The type of guy that could give Floyd a good fight would have to be a 147lb version of Andre Ward/Guillermo Rigondeaux but there's nobody at 140-147 that can do even 50% of what Ward/Rigo can do, so the only gameplan left to possibly take Floyd's 0 is to put him in with guys much bigger and stronger than him

[bojangles1987]

No necessarily true, once Floyd's speed and reflexes leave he will find other ways to win. Floyd's reflexes are not the freakish reflexes of Roy Jones but rather Floyd's ability to time his opponents and understand where he needs to be to get out if harms way.

Call me crazy but I think Devon Alexander gives Floyd a rough fight. He has decent speed and fast feet but let me stress its a fight I don't want to see. Mayweather vs. Khan could be fun while it lasted but against any flat footed guys like Garcia, Matthesee and probably even Peterson and they all get beaten by Floyd.

Alexander is way too basic and has awful defense. I bet it goes exactly how the Guerrero fight went. Devon isn't doing a damn thing to Mayweather with those crappy screaming one-twos.

[MrRolltide91]

why not Sergio in September?

he's out for the year

[tokon]

The guy stays fit, gym rat, and never balloons up in weight. He's not messing around doing hard drugs or an alcoholic AND he's a fresh 36 with no damage. All the greats in the pasts start losing a step when they're out doing drugs and drinking heavily, like Chavez, Whitaker, Leonard, De La Hoya, Tyson, and the list goes on. Mayweather keeps to his boxing lifestyle, he's not losing for awhile.

that's the way it is . . .

[tokon]

" . . . so the only gameplan left to possibly take Floyd's 0 is to put him in with guys much bigger and stronger than him"

and why should mayweather take those fights - eg alvarez, martinez, etc - even if they are actually winnable for him anyway? he is a real natural welter, in an age of day before weigh-ins where guys are cutting then rehydrating +20lbs, mayweather comes into the ring very close to weigh-in weight. hell, most of the guys fighting 140lbs come in heavier than him!

[joesaiditstrue]

" . . . so the only gameplan left to possibly take Floyd's 0 is to put him in with guys much bigger and stronger than him"

and why should mayweather take those fights - eg alvarez, martinez, etc - even if they are actually winnable for him anyway? he is a real natural welter, in an age of day before weigh-ins where guys are cutting then rehydrating +20lbs, mayweather comes into the ring very close to weigh-in weight. hell, most of the guys fighting 140lbs come in heavier than him!

I never said he should, unless you're asking this rhetorically

[RL_GMA]

Kevin Iole: Floyd Mayweather Jr. can't be considered greatest of all-time

LAS VEGAS – Floyd Mayweather showed yet again why he is, conclusively, the greatest fighter of his generation.
He brilliantly outboxed Robert Guerrero on Saturday at the MGM Grand Garden, cruising to a wide unanimous decision in their WBC welterweight title fight that probably would have been a stoppage had he not injured his right hand in the middle of the fight.
Mayweather is far beyond being judged against his peers, but the lack of depth and quality among them keeps him from seriously being regarded as one of the 10 best fighters ever.

Sugar Ray Robinson is, without question, the greatest fighter who ever lived. He was 128-1-2 before he suffered his second defeat, and he beat enough Hall of Famers to fill a football team.
Floyd Mayweather avoids a Robert Guerrero punch on Saturday. (USA Today)
The thing that Robinson, and more recent superstars such as Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran and Marvelous Marvin Hagler, had over Mayweather was elite opposition.
"Let me tell you this right here about the boxing game," Mayweather's father, Floyd Sr., said. "There were much better fighters when Sugar Ray Robinson was coming along. There were much better fighters when Joe Louis was coming along. But that's not my son's fault. My son beat who's here today, and if they can't protect themselves, oh well."
Mayweather fought most, though not all, of the best of his era. He missed Kostya Tszyu when he was at 140 pounds and to this point, he hasn't fought Manny Pacquiao.

But he's reeled off 44 in a row and, in truth, none of them were close. He routed Guerrero on Saturday, connecting on an incredible 60 percent of his power punches while holding Guerrero to just 19 percent overall.
Guerrero had some success in the first two rounds in trying to pin Mayweather along the ropes, where he could maul him. All three judges gave Guerrero the first round for that. But that was it.

Love him or hate him – there is usually no in-between – Mayweather always figures it out. He's a boxing savant and has been since the first time he pulled on gloves as a child in Grand Rapids, Mich.
Mayweather, who was extraordinarily classy and respectful at the post-fight news conference, took the high road when he was asked where he'd rank himself.

Prior to the fight, he declared himself the best who ever lived. He backed off that on Saturday.
"I take my hat off to Sugar Ray Leonard and all those other fighters who paved the way for me to be where I am at today," Mayweather said. "I'm not here to match myself against them because, like I said before, I'm not in their era. I respect them. I take my hat off to them. But I'm in my era, and I just do what I do."

It's unfortunate that he hasn't had those kinds of rivals. The Pacquiao fight fell through for a myriad of reasons, despite intense interest from the fan base.

But other than Tszyu and Pacquiao, there aren't a lot of elite fighters that he hasn't faced. He's beaten at least four guys who figure to wind up in the International Boxing Hall of Fame – Arturo Gatti, Oscar De La Hoya, Shane Mosley and Miguel Cotto – and may have several more victims who sneak in.
He's planning to fight on Sept. 14, the first time in about a dozen years that he will have fought twice in four months. He brushed aside questions about Canelo Alvarez, who is probably the biggest threat he faces.
Adrien Broner is the only boxer who is in the same realm with Mayweather in terms of physical gifts, and he's just moved to welterweight, Mayweather's division.

Floyd Mayweather and Robert Guerrero trade punches. (USA Today)
But when Broner was asked about a potential fight with Mayweather, his good friend, he made an obscene gesture with both hands.
Any other fighters who might face Mayweather, guys like Amir Khan, Danny Garcia, a potential rematch with Victor Ortiz, would be massive underdogs.
He is so astute, he knows when he needs to adjust, and he did that by bringing his father back to train him. His father taught him the game and helped build him into a fighting machine. He also made him one of history's foremost defensive boxers.

After his 2012 win over Cotto, Mayweather knew he had to fix things.
"Miguel Cotto hit me with some shots I shouldn't have been hit with, so I had to bring the defense master back, my father," Mayweather said as his father, seated a few feet away, beamed.
The elder Mayweather was mortified when he first resumed working with his son and saw bigger fighters, who in the past would have never laid a glove on his son, tagging him with clean shots.
He knew they needed to do some work, and to Floyd Jr.'s credit, he was willing to do what he needed to do.

"I got in his ear and started telling him he can't take no more punches like that," Mayweather Sr. said. "In two days, he wasn't taking those punches any more. He started capitalizing and countering. As we went along, he kept making them miss and then capitalizing. He just got better and better."
He's done that throughout his career, and that's why he is unquestionably the best of this time. But his lack of opposition will never allow him to be compared to guys like Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Muhammad Ali and the sport's other super elite.

[turkas]

No necessarily true, once Floyd's speed and reflexes leave he will find other ways to win. Floyd's reflexes are not the freakish reflexes of Roy Jones but rather Floyd's ability to time his opponents and understand where he needs to be to get out if harms way.

Call me crazy but I think Devon Alexander gives Floyd a rough fight. He has decent speed and fast feet but let me stress its a fight I don't want to see. Mayweather vs. Khan could be fun while it lasted but against any flat footed guys like Garcia, Matthesee and probably even Peterson and they all get beaten by Floyd.

I agree completely. Out of everyone at 147, Devon gives him the toughest fight. He has the speed, movement, and stamina to give Floyd problems.

[nannasin28]

All the greats in the pasts start losing a step ..