Is Wlad the greatest of all times?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Vitali is better than wlad

[Weltschmerz]

Vitali is better than wlad

I agree, if not for the 4 year lay off and his brotherly compassion to let Vladimir carry all those belts, Vitali is a clear cut HW ATG. Still is in my book.

[LouIE G]

I dont think so. I dont think he would of faired that well in the 90's era of heavyweights.

[Scott9945]

Even if you do think his size and skills make him the best, his resume isn't nearly good enough to be #1. Not his fault, but you just can't ignore that.

[Elroy1]

Vladimir is among the 5 greatest heavyweights of all time.

Resurfacing one of these Wladimir hate threads again ey? Haven't seen this subject for a while now Good times haha

And Laced Up the main culprit too, shame!

"No strong opposition"

Simply because he is much better than most of his opponents doesn't mean they are weak opponents, it means Wlad is especially good to be able to beat them so easily.

And on the contrary, just because past historical boxers fought tough fights with many opponents does not make those quality opponents. It can just mean that (as I believe) that they were not so much better than those opponents.

In fact, as has been argued time and again, Wladimir's opponents would have steamrolled most past greats opponents.

In fact I'd rate Wladimir's resume of opposition as being among the very best. Only a small handful of boxers fought arguably better and not necessarily.

Lennox Lewis & Vitali Klitschko beat similar.

Holyfield had good too but he lost quite a few at HW.

Others fought close but smaller and not as good over all like Holmes, Tyson, Foreman (whole career) etc.

Beyond that I say nobody prior compares to WK's resume.

And that's including bloody Ali and Louis who'se opponents stand as the most overrated in history. One could only imagine what Haye would do to Norton, or Peter would do to Frazier.

Only thing I give to Mr. Laced Up here is the guy who claimed Wlad is a better lb for lber than Mayweather, or even a lb for lber at all is a lunatic!

[Mr. Punch-Out!!]

What the...? No, Frazier was NOT overrated. He was both tough AND highly skilled. What the heck kind of mess is that?

[Beercules]

I think Wlad would KO Floyd

[Elroy1]

I dont think so. I dont think he would of faired that well in the 90's era of heavyweights.

Wladimir wold have belted up most of the 90's HW's just the same as his own opponents. They were even a bit smaller (just saying) and didn't have any more spectacular records really.

That was a very tough era and they were good opponents too. But prime Wladimir is above their level.

Holyfield was too small to beat WK I reckon and not that hard to hit. Tyson could have gotten Wlad in the opening rounds, that definitely might have happened. Lennox could have beaten him. Other than that who else would put a stop to Wlad? Or Vitali for that matter?

Guys don't want to admit it, I loved the 90's too, it was my favourite era. But most of the reasoning for 90's over 00's/10's is based on the fact it was a Western dominated era and now it definitely isn't.

Many hard hitting 90's boxers would have stood great punchers chance against Wlad as did his own opponents too, there'd be probably an upset or 2 just the same. That's true!

[Elroy1]

What the...? No, Frazier was NOT overrated. He was both tough AND highly skilled. What the heck kind of mess is that?

Put head down, blind left hook, repeat.

No chin, no power, 205lbs, chubby, half blind, 5'10", no other credible wins other than against an overrated Ali in a clinch fest.

Frazier possibly the most overrated boxer of all time.

In fact the ONLY reason Frazier is famous at all is because of Ali (and getting destroyed by Foreman) and still being praised today to "maintain the fame" of the 70's HW's.

What happened to him against Foreman is basically what would happen to Frazier against any hard hitting and strong HW from the 90's, 00's and 10's.

Sorry champ. This one just doesn't cut the mustard.

[Mr. Punch-Out!!]

Put head down, blind left hook, repeat.

Using head movement to slip punches, dude.

No chin, no power, 205lbs, chubby, half blind, 5'10", no other credible wins other than against an overrated Ali in a clinch fest.

...You don't know squat about Ali or Frazier if you say either one of those guys were overrated.

Frazier possibly the most overrated boxer of all time.

In fact the ONLY reason Frazier is famous at all is because of Ali (and getting destroyed by Foreman) and still being praised today to "maintain the fame" of the 70's HW's.

Unlike you, people recognize Ali as the great boxer he was and Frazier's huge accomplishment of beating somebody like him.

What happened to him against Foreman is basically what would happen to Frazier against any hard hitting and strong HW from the 90's, 00's and 10's.

Right, because boxing has SO many George Foremans, right?