why do people think pac is an atg

[DuckDodgers]

Loss to Bradley=****** decision

Loss to Marquez= a guy that took 4 fights to figure him out plus steroid abuse because he wanted to win by any means necessary.

I think Marquez beat Pac three times. The KO loss was because Pac had too much mileage against far bigger guys. Manny seemed so invincible for so long, but he took some seriously career-shortening abuse is some fights that he still dominated. Look at the Margarito fight- Pac won at least 11 rounds, but took some serious shots from a guy who had 20lbs on him. People don't give Manny enough credit for that fight, and he was never quite the same afterwards.

[jaestix1]

Marquez has been one of my favorite fighters for the last 7-8 years and I think he beat Pac in 3 of the 4 fights. That being said, Manny accomplished far, far more than Juan and was capable of beating some guys that Juan wouldn't have. Juan is an ATG also, but even though he had many's number, Pac has to be considered the greater fighter overall.

maybe but jmm has taken on way more risks than pac has over 130

-actually capturing the legit title at 135 and not some paper belt unlike that fraud from the philippines.

-actually having the balls to face mayweather unlike that fraud from the philippines.

-facing pac-bytch at his preferred weight twice including a catch-weight.

- picking bradley as FIRST CHOICE unlike that fraud from the philippines, who only choose bradley because cotto wouldn't drain himself again to fight him.

[hugh grant]

2 loses in a row... sorry it tarnishes his legacy... plus he should have more loses against marquez...

So what if he lost 2? He won enough fights in 8 years of fighting regularly, the best names boxing had to offer.
He made great mexicans like Morales, and Barrera look like they werent all that. It dont matter that he lost, as all the boxers considered the greatest lost. The guys who aint lost arent considered the best, thats a little detail and fact that might be lost on you.

[DuckDodgers]

Not saying he is greatest ever, but over the last decade nobody has been in more big fights.

mab twice
morales 3 times
marquez 4 times
hatton
ocsar
margarito
cotto
clottey
larios
Bradley

Don't forget Ledwaba (who was a badass that was expected to become a star), and David Diaz could be considered a "big" fight too.

[dde91]

manny is an all time great.

Beat mab when mab had just beaten prince naseem and erik morales handing them their first losses.

Fought a prime marquez, when no one else would

people thought morales was too big at 130 for manny. Lost a heated first fight but came back with improved boxing technique and ko'd morales twice.

Destroyed oscar at 147 when he was considered a huge underdog, hatton at 140, destroyed cotto at a catchwieght, beat down margarito and clottey who are both some tough hombres.

Not saying he is greatest ever, but over the last decade nobody has been in more big fights.

Mab twice
morales 3 times
marquez 4 times
hatton
ocsar
margarito
cotto
clottey
larios
bradley

pac has fought a who's who (except floyd)
him and floyd will be only atg currently in boxing
def an atg

you dont consider hopkins an atg?

[dde91]

maybe but jmm has taken on way more risks than pac has over 130

-actually capturing the legit title at 135 and not some paper belt unlike that fraud from the philippines.

-actually having the balls to face mayweather unlike that fraud from the philippines.

-facing pac-bytch at his preferred weight twice including a catch-weight.

- picking bradley as first choice unlike that fraud from the philippines, who only choose bradley because cotto wouldn't drain himself again to fight him.

this guy is a dumba$$

[al-Xander]

...all the boxers considered the greatest lost. The guys who aint lost arent considered the best...

End thread /

[jaestix1]

this guy is a dumba$$

can you dispute anything i said?

[dde91]

manny's main problem was somebody with a good lead right or counter right.
Morales had a great lead right that he would turn into an uppercut sometimes
marquez has great counter right
hatton, oscar, barrera, margarito, cotto, clottey, hatton. None have very good straight right hands. More of left hookers.
Manny looked awesome vs those types of fighters. Thats why arum kept him from floyd

and floyd looks bad against southpaws with speed. Thats why floyd stayed away from a prime manny

[dde91]

can you dispute anything i said?

dispute you being a dumba$$? Okay i will one time
while marquez was fighting the baby bulls and the kasitas's (who weren't bad fighters then) pacquiao was fighting clottey, margarito, cotto, hatton, mosley, etc. Only person pacquiao didn't fight was floyd. And all of those guys had at least 10 pounds on pacquiao on fight night. Margarito had 20. So pacquiao above 140 is way greater then marquez