Naseem Hamed vs Nonito Donaire - who wins

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  • Salardo
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    #111
    I just went through the first pages of the thread and then I stopped because so many people have no idea what they are talking about. Some guys said "Hamed literally has NO DEFENCE".
    Actually Hamed had excellent defence and has slick defensive moves a la Pernell Whitaker. One of the best head movement in in the last 20 years of boxing belonged to Naz. So some guys who never watched Hamed fight come here to comment about him being a bum. I mean, seriously? This his laughable.

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      #112
      A battle between two vastly overrated fighters.

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        #113
        Originally posted by inITtoWINit
        LMFAO. Is this a serious question?

        Naseem had a pension for getting tagged early, and KD all the time. What in the hell do you think Donaire would do to him, while he came in with a lunging uppercut from 5 feet away?

        He's tailor made for anyone with counterpunching, and not a brawler/puncher.
        Hamed would f@ck Nonitos world up worse than Rigo did.

        I cant even believe the revisionist BS right here.

        Only on NSB, where Donaire is an ATG but Hamed is a wannabe slickster bum, LOL.

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        • explosiv
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          #114
          Naz UD i think

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          • The Noose
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            #115
            Originally posted by Halls of Fame
            I just went through the first pages of the thread and then I stopped because so many people have no idea what they are talking about. Some guys said "Hamed literally has NO DEFENCE".
            Actually Hamed had excellent defence and has slick defensive moves a la Pernell Whitaker. One of the best head movement in in the last 20 years of boxing belonged to Naz. So some guys who never watched Hamed fight come here to comment about him being a bum. I mean, seriously? This his laughable.
            But he could also have a terrible defence. He would sometimes be very difficult to hit, but then get nailed with a huge shot. He relied too much on his reflexes, and was very open most of the time.

            I believe in McCullough, Sanchez, Kelly and Barrera exposed his flaws, and that when he attacked, he was very vulnerable.

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            • Salardo
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              #116
              Originally posted by The Noose
              But he could also have a terrible defence. He would sometimes be very difficult to hit, but then get nailed with a huge shot. He relied too much on his reflexes, and was very open most of the time.

              I believe in McCullough, Sanchez, Kelly and Barrera exposed his flaws, and that when he attacked, he was very vulnerable.
              Hamed used his style to create openings, so he relied on his reflexes to land big shots on his own (which he always did except in the Barrera fight). Basically everytime Hamed got knocked down it was because he was off balance because of his weird unorthodox movements. He recovered super fast every time. I have seen Hamed look bad against Barrera, but I have seen Donaire look bad against Vazquez Jr and Rigondeaux. So really nothing makes me believe that Donaire would beat Hamed; actually I think it is probably a close fight, toss up maybe.

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                #117
                If Donaire was worried about Rigos power he'd have nightmares fighting Naz...Nonito has a puncher's chance but I don't like the chance at all. Naz may have had the hardest punch below LW

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                  #118
                  Originally posted by SoggyLungs
                  the only time where rigo's power became very apparent was in the 12th when he landed that huge straight left that had donaire on his bicycle because he was trying to protect his right eye..prior to that donaire was still walking down rigo for the most part..i remember donaire even RAN at rigo at the start of one of the later rounds. donaire's chin is solid..never been knocked down (i think donaire became the first person rigo hadn't knocked down in the pros) and never been stopped..

                  rigo didn't expose that donaire can't think and box. it exposed that when donaire is faced with a patient fighter who utilizes slick movement, good defense, and good fast counter punching ability he gets confused and frustrated....
                  Yeah, following him around not throwing because every time he did he'd miss and get something he didn't like back. There's a reason Donaire's face was bruised up while Rigo looked the same as he went into ring.

                  Yes Donaire ran at Rigo to start the tenth because he had no choice but to try and push the pace, and even after the cheap KD he scored off a break, Rigo still neutralized the "pressure." Donaire tried the same tactic to start the eleventh and he got tagged by Rigo to the point he nearly ended up in hitting the ring post.

                  Look, you can come up with whatever tools Rigo has that are superior to Donaire for the reason he lost, but fact of the matter is that if Rigo didn't have power behind his punches, Donaire would have been throwing more and, as he is well known for, throwing caution to the wind for the sake of landing his own punch.

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                    #119
                    Originally posted by SoggyLungs
                    donaire's chin is solid..never been knocked down (i think donaire became the first person rigo hadn't knocked down in the pros) and never been stopped..
                    And nobody is questioning Donaire's chin, it's been well-noted that we all agree, the guy can take a punch... but do you honestly believe that Rigo's power meant nothing in their fight? I know you're a Donaire stan, I tried explaining to you last year before the Nishi fight even happened that Rigo was landslides better than Donaire, but please do not let your bias cloud what's actually true.

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                      #120
                      Originally posted by Halls of Fame
                      Hamed used his style to create openings, so he relied on his reflexes to land big shots on his own (which he always did except in the Barrera fight). Basically everytime Hamed got knocked down it was because he was off balance because of his weird unorthodox movements. He recovered super fast every time. I have seen Hamed look bad against Barrera, but I have seen Donaire look bad against Vazquez Jr and Rigondeaux. So really nothing makes me believe that Donaire would beat Hamed; actually I think it is probably a close fight, toss up maybe.
                      True. But the fact is, he got caught too often with big shots. And he got knocked down not just because of his balance, but because he also got hit. I think only Kelly and Barrera were close to being as good as Donaire. And his counter left, IMO would land on Hamed several times flush.

                      Not saying he would beat Hamed. I dont know who would win.

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