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watched the Rigo Donaire fight again..

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  • #81
    I simply don't get the "Rigo wasn't busy enough", logic. He threw more and landed more. So how the hell does that logic make sense. One more time, "Rigo threw more and landed more".

    So if Rigo wasn't busy enough while throwing and landing more, how was the fight close when all Donaire did was follow and get countered??

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    • #82
      How on earth round 4 was Donaire's ?!

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      • #83
        This is worse than how people were trying to convince us on how Rios beat Abril last year. When your favorite fighter gets outclassed just deal with it. Donaire will feed on 126 tomato cans and shot fighters to regain his supremacy and win fighter of the year by beating muertos.

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        • #84
          Originally posted by check hook View Post
          On a side note i actually can't believe how good the commentary from HBO is for this fight. I'd half expected them to be riding Donaire's nuts despite him getting dominated.
          When guys like check hook disagree with me I can tell I'm on to something.

          Originally posted by TheHolyCross View Post
          i gave donaire 4 rounds on re-watch, no rounds donaire won were clear though except for the 10th, that's why people say he was whitewashed/dominated/outclassed etc and it's because alot of people on here dont know you can have close rounds that can be toss ups(e.g marquez-pacquiao is seen as a robbery, where marquez clearly won, despite alot of rounds being upto debate), also alot of rounds that i gave to rigondeaux were really close, but he was just a lot slicker and crisp and in control so i my opinion he won the fight no way you can't have him winning it
          4 rounds. Yes I gave him 5. But yeah we seem to have seen the fight relatively similarly. Rigo still won, no doubt about that.

          Originally posted by !! Shawn View Post
          Yes.

          If one guys objective is to make the round a round where 0 punches are thrown, and the other guys objective is to throw 100 punch,

          and 0 punches are thrown...

          Who won the round?

          That what ring generalship is about, who is in control of the fight and who is dictating when and where battle takes place.

          Rigo was obviously the one dictating the pace, when to engage, and when not to. Therefore he was winning the rounds.
          This premise favors defensive artists over aggressive ones. 0 punches thrown on both sides, but you award rounds on aesthetics? The whole premise is unfair and biased towards a particular kind of fighter. Aesthetics are in the eye of the beholder as well if you're going to break it down to that. Highly subjective and easily pandered by a wackjob commentary. Nah He has to hit as well. I still want someone to explain to me what ten punches Rigo landed in the 8th, as per compubox? Unless they were counting feints and glove taps wtf man.

          Originally posted by dan_cov View Post
          I happen to have the fight here in HD.

          Don't get me wrong, the rounds donaire won, rigo gave away from inactivity.
          3rd 4th 7th 8th were all Donaire's. 10th, donaire. 113



          Round 3: 10 secs in & a nice right hook lead from Rigo. Donaire sneaks a bodyshot in. Jab to the body by Donaire, Rigo responds with a straight left that possibly just fell short. Rigo with a nice jab to the body & again. Showing some beautiful defensive skills. Left uppercut inside by Rigo & a left hook as Donaire pulls out. Bodyshot by Rigo followed up with a straight left up top. Jab & a left up top, Donaire gets in a bodyshot. Short right hook from Rigo as he rolls under & out making Donaire look ridiculous. Left & a right from Donaire both bouncing off the top of Rigos head, good straight right hand - Rigo shakes his head & throws a venomous left uppercut to the body. Hard straight left from Rigo.
          10-9 Rigondeaux

          Round 4: Donaire slips a straight left after being made to miss & eats a left uppercut. Jab to the body from Rigo. Right hand to the body by Donaire (hard to see if it was blocked or not) misses a left hook by a country mile. Donaire misses another left hook & Rigo comes over the top of it with a right. Jab to the body by Rigo, Donaire misses a left hook - jabs off of it which falls short & eats a jab himself. Uppercut to the body from Rigo. Distracts Donaire with the right hand & rips the body. Another bodyshot which apparently strayed low. Eye-catching counter left hook from Donaire & gets plastered with a straight left as he rushes in. Left to the body from El Chacal & another & a left upstairs. Big straight left to finish the round.
          10-9 Rigondeaux

          7th upon watching previously I gave to Donaire (only round but the 10th), we'll give him the benefit of the doubt here.

          Round 8: Give up scoring same old song & dance. I think Donaire landed one punch. So he won this for hitting thin air?

          Everything Donaire throws is just missing or half-blocked. Everything Rigo is throwing is crisp & clear and that is why he won the rounds/fight.
          By your admission donaire is landing shots. Body shots, right hands, hooks. Rigo busted him up bad in the 11th and 12th but through nine it was close cuz rigo took some rounds for granted. It was 4-4 into the 9th. "by my lights". Rigo picked up the 9th lost the tenth and was one point behind going into the 11th. Far from the whitewash most are puppeting it to be courtesy of the HBO announcing team.

          Originally posted by BartBears View Post
          i agree

          look at the 7th round....some fools are saying rigo was schooling donaire when in reality he wasn't throwing anything

          Yeah I watched it. That's some of what I'm talking about, sure.

          Originally posted by moochi View Post
          i watched it again and i can only confidently give 2 rounds max, 3 being generous.

          rigo being inactive still had donaire being inneffective and inactive as well, so those rounds which may have been inactive, Rigo still wins on pure ring generalship ( which is one of the main scoring criteria).
          Originally posted by Bushbaby View Post
          I simply don't get the "Rigo wasn't busy enough", logic. He threw more and landed more. So how the hell does that logic make sense. One more time, "Rigo threw more and landed more".

          So if Rigo wasn't busy enough while throwing and landing more, how was the fight close when all Donaire did was follow and get countered??
          Rigo makes mayweather look like Leo santa cruz. He's too inactive he has massive talent but he slacked off in several rounds. HBO is looking for a new look and they found one. Rigo won but it wasn't no shutout. Shrug

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          • #85
            Originally posted by Syf View Post
            Rigo makes mayweather look like Leo santa cruz. He's too inactive he has massive talent but he slacked off in several rounds. HBO is looking for a new look and they found one. Rigo won but it wasn't no shutout. Shrug
            Yea man you hit the nail on the head. HBO wanted a new look, a non-english speaker with no personality nor fanbase, over the already established eloquent star. /sarcasm

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            • #86
              Originally posted by BartBears View Post
              i agree

              look at the 7th round....some fools are saying rigo was schooling donaire when in reality he wasn't throwing anything

              this is how alot of rounds went, barely any punches thrown
              winning by a punch or two, and it made it difficult to not give rigo a round when he danced and slipped so cool like, he was definitely in control and ultimately it's why he deserved to win, but the video is very true
              Last edited by SplitSecond; 04-17-2013, 03:56 PM.

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              • #87
                Originally posted by TheHolyCross View Post
                this is how alot of rounds went, barely any punches thrown
                winning by a punch or two, and it made it difficult to not give rigo a round when he danced and slipped so cool like, he was definitely in control and ultimately it's why he deserved to win, but the video is very true
                what a joke of a video doanire won 3 rounds at most .. rigo dominated let it go rigo won the first 5 maybe 6 rounds!!!!! hes resting like i greats do . ****** video you could do this to every fight even maywether vs castillo or martinez vs palvlik ..blame donaire for having no plan b and also loosing the first 5 rounds! rigo smart gave him this round but donaire was so tentative and looked lost .. horrible video ..make a video of the first 6 rounds! and the last few in the pocket dominated.. picking one round off a 12 rounds fight its sad... rigo rested like all greats do

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                • #88
                  Nonito won 2 (and thats being nice) and 10 (KD on the break). It was sad and getting sadder by each passing day.

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                  • #89
                    This fight was similar to Prince Naz - Barrera, Yes Rigo won but it wasn't a whitewash. But having said that I scored it 117-110 to Rigo.

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                    • #90
                      Rigo thoroughly outclassed Donaire. There's no way you couldn't call it a white wash.

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