I'll say it... Guillermo Rigondeaux is probaby the most skilled boxer of all time.

[New England]

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Originally Posted by Matty Ice

Do you really think Rigo is gonna let himself get caught on the inside? And even if he does its clear that he will do a "Molina" he will clinch ya. Also, did you see last night how he got caught on the ropes (forgot which round) then in the blink of an eye he grabbed the BIGGER man and swung HIM into the ropes? That's some text book **** bro.


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It's called spinning your opponent.

I know that. Am I supposed to use technical terms every time around here? I wasn't aware, sorry.


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[IronDanHamza]

Do you really think Rigo is gonna let himself get caught on the inside? And even if he does its clear that he will do a "Molina" he will clinch ya. Also, did you see last night how he got caught on the ropes (forgot which round) then in the blink of an eye he grabbed the BIGGER man and swung HIM into the ropes? That's some text book **** bro.


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I'm not saying he doesn't have it, I'm just saying he hasn't shown it yet against an elite pressure fighter with an inside game.

I want to see how Rigondeaux deals with things when he's forced to be under pressure or out his comfort zone.

We haven't seen it yet.

[Tim2daresq]

Well now..... he did just have an impressive win and as we know when that happens the winning fighter automatically becomes totally unbeatable and the future p4p greatest and most skilled fighter ever on this forum but I have yet to see him display any inside fighting craft or even the ability to create his own offense without an opponent being overly aggressive.

[!! Shawn]

I don't know about all-time, but he's surely one of the 4-5 best around right now. Sometimes we over think this stuff. He proved it last night. He's THAT good. I started on his bandwagon (had a bet after 3 fights he'd be a champ by the end of 10 and he sort of was), got all think-too-hard after Cordoba, and, nope, right the first time.

He just came within a punch or two of shutting out a guy who hadn't come close to losing in six years at the title level. I look at Rigo at this point like Roy Hobbs. Castro was his whore that shot him in the gut, killing the chance for a Ruthian career. Lets not talk ourselves out of what we all really think after last night: if every fighter were the same size, Rigo would be favored over almost anyone.

I can respect that, some times you over think things and its hard to believe some times that someone with so few fights can compete on that level, and you end up giving them a B+ in defense.

The thing is, as Roy Jones pointed out last night. Rigondeaux proved himself against the Carmellos, and the LeBrons, and the Kobes of the world TWICE in the olympics, TWICE in the world championships, and TWICE in the world cup.

People seem to not be willing to watch Amateur fights, pretending they dont matter and tell me not to jump the gun, he hasn't proven himself, etc...

His resume is there. There are MANY examples of him besting the most skilled fighters the world has to offer. Guys like Worapoj Petchkoom, Aghasi Mammadov, Raimkul Malakhbekov (who is himself a 2x World Am Champion), Gennady Kovalev (who is 2x World Am silver medalist), and was stopping guys like Bahodirjon Sultonov.

The man has the resume. He has demonstrated his skills among the best in the world, and with last night, he has demonstrated it again in the Professional Ranks.

Its unfortunate that he was prevent from turning pro due to the circumstances he was born into, but that does not diminish his accomplishments, that does not diminish his skill level, and it certainly doesn't exclude him from consideration among the best of all time.

As you said, if everyone was Rigondeaux's size, who would you honestly pick over him?

I think he is arguably the most skilled fighter in the history of our illustrious sport.

[Tim2daresq]

I know that. Am I supposed to use technical terms every time around here? I wasn't aware, sorry.


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LOL. My fault. I forgot half these posters don't know **** about boxing.

[stefl14]

I agree.

Rigo is 32. He is at the age where most fighters have had a long career and we start to asses where they stack up in the grand scheme of things.

Last night, Rigo got himself a win that would be career defining for ANY fighter in the game today. It is probably the most significant win and performance of the last 20 years.

He doesn't have the build up of lots of fights against really good fighters, because of circumstance, but he has the career defining win against a great hall of fame fighter in Donaire.

Its a win on the level of Whitaker vs Chavez (although that was draw :-/ )
Its a win on the level of Duran vs Leonard
Its a win on the level of Leonard vs Hearns

Rigondeaux was forced to spend his prime in the amateurs. Realistically, like Muhammad Ali, he was forced by Politics to sit out his prime years even in the amateurs.

He proved that his skill and greatness with last nights performance. It ranks up there in quality with any win by any fighter, and I feel serves as an adequate bench mark to rank Guillermo Rigondeaux's quality in terms of all time greatness.

He might not be the best fighter of all time, I'd still have a hard time seeing him coming out over Duran, but skill wise I am comfortable saying he has no equal.

What the **** are you on about? Mayweather - a fighter still in the game - is more skilled. Despite fighting better competition overall and having a higher output, his punch stat numbers are better than Rigo's in both offence and defence - that is a fact. The only area in which Rigo is better is power. Rigo is supposedly one of the most skilled boxers of all time but struggled with Cordoba for **** sake. It is way to early to assess his skill set in the context of all time greats. So he beat Donaire so what? Donaire is a counter puncher who is arguably tailor made for someone like Rigondeaux. He hasn't fought anyone who has forced him to use an inside game and being as he's fought as long as he has in the amateurs and is a Southpaw I very much doubt he has one. rig has one style and he's the greatest of all time? Get the **** out of here. There is no such thing as sustained pressure in the amateurs for 12 rounds and we are yet to see Rigondeaux deal with it.

And your statements about the quality of his win are truly ridiculous. To compare Donaire with Hearns or Leonard is actually an insult to boxing. "The most significant win of the last 20 years" hahahahahah. It's not the most significant win of the last year mate.

[Tim2daresq]

I'm not saying he doesn't have it, I'm just saying he hasn't shown it yet against an elite pressure fighter with an inside game.

I want to see how Rigondeaux deals with things when he's forced to be under pressure or out his comfort zone.

We haven't seen it yet.

Because he has something that a lot of counter strikers don't have. A bazooka attached to his arm.

It's one thing pressuring a counter puncher, but it's another thing when that counter puncher can literally KO with his first punch.

This ain't no videogame son.

[Oh_Snap]

Let's not start underselling Donaire now because he lost to Rigo. Donaire is a helluva fighter Rigo is just legendary. I'm just upset he couldn't finish him off. Viva el rey Rigo!!

[Tim2daresq]

Let's not start underselling Donaire now because he lost to Rigo. Donaire is a helluva fighter Rigo is just legendary. I'm just upset he couldn't finish him off. Viva el rey Rigo!!

It's all the Flowmosexuals with an agenda in here. Don't worry, they know how good Donaire is. They're just playing dumb.