Wawrzyk is undefeated

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Why am I mentioning Thompson? Why are most people mentioning Ruiz when talking about Haye's supposedly "rubbish" opponents. Wlad asked to postpone his mandatory with Povetkin to fight Pianeta, why didn't he do it with Thompson?

Yes I've read your posts, and no way in hell does the mormeck that fought Wlad beat any legit HW. Mind you, before he fought Wlad he hadn't fought in two years. And all of a sudden he gets a shot at the title. Baffles me you can defend that choice. Out of all Wlad's cherry picks through the years, that one is the worst.

Why are you saying I haven't watched him? Yes I have, he's nothing special but he's a better choice than Mormeck that's for damn sure. Imagine if Haye fought a shot to shizzle cw who hadn't fought in two years. You guys wouldn't have let us hear the end of it!

Haye-Charr was as bad a fight as Haye-Wawrzyk is. They are both crap fights. Equally. But at this stage, no Wlad fan will come and cause a riot over Haye's opponents when he's fighting cans to. Not when i'm around.

"His old ways" - you know better than that mate. Come on.

where did I ever defend Wlad fighting Mormeck - that one turned out to be one of the worst HW championship fights - and I actually watched it live.

I am not defending Wlad for that by any means, but it must be said that was the Mormeck's worst performance that I remember - something similar to Vitali fighting Solis - no one really knew they both would come in the match totally unprepared.. They had a certain reputation.
What I am saying if Wawrzyk shows his BEST performance it will still be an awful fight. Mormeck best performance almost took Haye out.

So you are saying you watched Wawrzyk - which fight? And you are claiming he is equally bad/good as Charr?

I am really not rioting against Haye - I am just disappointed if he fights this guy (who is not the same as Charr - that one was bad but not as bad...)

Old ways means he knocks out a totally bum and starts shouting how Wlad or Vitali are ducking him...

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Klitschko fans keep saying fights like this do nothing for Haye to earn a shot, while supporting fights like Pianeta when the guy hasn't even fought a top 50 fighter. They're a pathetic bunch.

They also ridicule Haye's choices, but seem to not want to admit that Vitali (#2 of the division) was his first choice but he's ducking him.

This.

All in all, it's a joke of a fight if it takes place.

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where did I ever defend Wlad fighting Mormeck - that one turned out to be one of the worst HW championship fights - and I actually watched it live.

I am not defending Wlad for that by any means, but it must be said that was the Mormeck's worst performance that I remember - something similar to Vitali fighting Solis - no one really knew they both would come in the match totally unprepared.. They had a certain reputation.
What I am saying if Wawrzyk shows his BEST performance it will still be an awful fight. Mormeck best performance almost took Haye out.

So you are saying you watched Wawrzyk - which fight? And you are claiming he is equally bad/good as Charr?

I am really not rioting against Haye - I am just disappointed if he fights this guy (who is not the same as Charr - that one was bad but not as bad...)

Old ways means he knocks out a totally bum and starts shouting how Wlad or Vitali are ducking him...

You said Mormeck would have won over Wawrzyk, easy, in fact. Thereby implying that it was a better choice of opponent than Wawrzyk for Haye. Mormeck's best performance took Haye out?

1) It was not Mormeck's best performance. I'm not going to say that.
2) He wasn't close to take Haye out? It was a silly knockdown, helped by a towel laying in the corner as is both remarked by the guy who commented on the fight and by Elliot Worsel in 'Making Haye'. Haye was never hurt in that fight.

Are you trying to call me out on Wawrzyk? Really? He fought a Danish guy, Bertino, who was in Prizefighter. He fought a couple of British guys Butlin, Swaby and I saw some highlights of his latest fight.

Again, I want to make this very clear. It's a crap fight. I'm not defending the choice. I'm as disappointed as anyone else.

Charr is a greasy slob who will never do anything in the division. Simple as that. I don't rate him at all. But I rate him higher than Wawrzyk.

Really? Chisora is a bum now?

1) Seem to remember him rocking Fury pretty hard in his fattest shape, winning against Helenius and taking Vitali 12 rounds.

2) Ruiz, a two timw WBA champion, who was a mandatory.
3)The biggest heavyweight champion of all times.
4) #11 ranked Bonin, WBO #8 Barrett - as his first two fights.
5) Audley Harrison. The fight was a farce, but a lot of people had Harrison winning! Haye said from the beginning that he would demolish Harrison easy, and he did.

6) He's probably the second best CW of all times.

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You said Mormeck would have won over Wawrzyk, easy, in fact. Thereby implying that it was a better choice of opponent than Wawrzyk for Haye. Mormeck's best performance took Haye out?

1) It was not Mormeck's best performance. I'm not going to say that.
2) He wasn't close to take Haye out? It was a silly knockdown, helped by a towel laying in the corner as is both remarked by the guy who commented on the fight and by Elliot Worsel in 'Making Haye'. Haye was never hurt in that fight.

Are you trying to call me out on Wawrzyk? Really? He fought a Danish guy, Bertino, who was in Prizefighter. He fought a couple of British guys Butlin, Swaby and I saw some highlights of his latest fight.

Again, I want to make this very clear. It's a crap fight. I'm not defending the choice. I'm as disappointed as anyone else.

Charr is a greasy slob who will never do anything in the division. Simple as that. I don't rate him at all. But I rate him higher than Wawrzyk.

Really? Chisora is a bum now?

1) Seem to remember him rocking Fury pretty hard in his fattest shape, winning against Helenius and taking Vitali 12 rounds.

2) Ruiz, a two timw WBA champion, who was a mandatory.
3)The biggest heavyweight champion of all times.
4) #11 ranked Bonin, WBO #8 Barrett - as his first two fights.
5) Audley Harrison. The fight was a farce, but a lot of people had Harrison winning! Haye said from the beginning that he would demolish Harrison easy, and he did.

6) He's probably the second best CW of all times.

You deducted a LOT from my post - many of that is not what I said or meant.

Mormeck would beat Wawrzyk no doubt - so he would be a better opponent than Wawrzyk - both very very bad choices. And this does NOT mean I defend Wlad choice to fight him.

1. I haven't said that was Mormeck's best performance at all - what I said he was capable (or believed to be capable) to deliver. Wawrzyk is not capable by any stretch of imagination. It's like you have beetle and old rusty volvo. Volvo might (by some miracle) deliver, but you know beetle never will.

2. I can't agree that Haye was never hurt, won't argue anyway. For whatever reason he was knocked down.

Excellent you watched Wawrzyk against Bertino, I am glad that you at least acknowledge he is worse than Charr.

How did you get that Chisora is a bum from my post? You stretched it there... If I say 'I hope he won't KO this bum and shout for Wlad' that doesn't imply Chisora is a bum.

The rest of your post is about haye's resume. Again I never really commented on that - you must be confusing me with someone.

I am commenting only and exclusively on Haye fighting Wawrzyk, when there is Charr who basically chases Haye to fight him. In ideal world it should have been tyson or pulev but I am not taking that against Haye.

Now to clarify this.. The only reason why I spend my time commenting on Haye is because I still believe he is a great fighter, who is capable of doing much more than what he is doing. I also believe if he somehow gets another chance at Wlad he would try (very likely failed) but he'll try better this time.

If he's going to fight Wawrzyk and pretend he is still no 3 in HW, then I might just give up on him and focus on Tyson instead...

After all I want credible opponents for Wlad. Not many are left - Pulev, Povetkin and Tyson. Who ever doesn't get beaten in the next 18-24 months he'll face Wlad. As Haye already lost to Wlad it's a taught task to fit him, and almost impossible if he is fighting club fighters.

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You deducted a LOT from my post - many of that is not what I said or meant.

Mormeck would beat Wawrzyk no doubt - so he would be a better opponent than Wawrzyk - both very very bad choices. And this does NOT mean I defend Wlad choice to fight him.

1. I haven't said that was Mormeck's best performance at all - what I said he was capable (or believed to be capable) to deliver. Wawrzyk is not capable by any stretch of imagination. It's like you have beetle and old rusty volvo. Volvo might (by some miracle) deliver, but you know beetle never will.

2. I can't agree that Haye was never hurt, won't argue anyway. For whatever reason he was knocked down.

Excellent you watched Wawrzyk against Bertino, I am glad that you at least acknowledge he is worse than Charr.

How did you get that Chisora is a bum from my post? You stretched it there... If I say 'I hope he won't KO this bum and shout for Wlad' that doesn't imply Chisora is a bum.

The rest of your post is about haye's resume. Again I never really commented on that - you must be confusing me with someone.

I am commenting only and exclusively on Haye fighting Wawrzyk, when there is Charr who basically chases Haye to fight him. In ideal world it should have been tyson or pulev but I am not taking that against Haye.

Now to clarify this.. The only reason why I spend my time commenting on Haye is because I still believe he is a great fighter, who is capable of doing much more than what he is doing. I also believe if he somehow gets another chance at Wlad he would try (very likely failed) but he'll try better this time.

If he's going to fight Wawrzyk and pretend he is still no 3 in HW, then I might just give up on him and focus on Tyson instead...

After all I want credible opponents for Wlad. Not many are left - Pulev, Povetkin and Tyson. Who ever doesn't get beaten in the next 18-24 months he'll face Wlad. As Haye already lost to Wlad it's a taught task to fit him, and almost impossible if he is fighting club fighters.

You said "Mormeck's best performance almost took Haye out" - I read that as if you thought that was mormeck's best performance. Sorry if I misunderstood. Doesn't matter anyway.

Then you said: "Old ways - Knocking out bums and chasing Wlad afterwards" - I also here assumed that you took a swing at his resume. Seemed pretty clear that it was, and whilst I agree his resume isn't the best at heavy, the guys he fought cannot be called "bums". Those were your words, not mine.

I know you do, and I believe a lot of Klitschko fans would love to see another Haye-Klitschko fight. Either because they want to see Wlad/Vitali KO Haye, or because the hype surrounding that fight would far exceed any other fight they could make. And it's understandable. I want the same.

Regardless, I hope we can agree that Wlad hasn't fought top level lately. Pianeta is not top level either. Neither is Haye. But i'm sure you can see the double standards in defending (i'm not saying you do, but a lot of K fans are) the champs' choice of opponents whilst battering Haye for his, though they are around the same level.

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You said "Mormeck's best performance almost took Haye out" - I read that as if you thought that was mormeck's best performance. Sorry if I misunderstood. Doesn't matter anyway.

Then you said: "Old ways - Knocking out bums and chasing Wlad afterwards" - I also here assumed that you took a swing at his resume. Seemed pretty clear that it was, and whilst I agree his resume isn't the best at heavy, the guys he fought cannot be called "bums". Those were your words, not mine.

I know you do, and I believe a lot of Klitschko fans would love to see another Haye-Klitschko fight. Either because they want to see Wlad/Vitali KO Haye, or because the hype surrounding that fight would far exceed any other fight they could make. And it's understandable. I want the same.

Regardless, I hope we can agree that Wlad hasn't fought top level lately. Pianeta is not top level either. Neither is Haye. But i'm sure you can see the double standards in defending (i'm not saying you do, but a lot of K fans are) the champs' choice of opponents whilst battering Haye for his, though they are around the same level.

Actually I said many times Haye is HOF (many took that on me). and I still have Haye in HOF taking into account his whole career.

Regarding Wlad's opponents I am more focus who is left to fight him. Wlad is fighting 3 times per year and it's impossible to not fight a few lesser fighters that way.

He had an impressive run over Ibragimov, Thomspon (I), Chagaev, Chambers, Haye... Recently he didn't fight that level of opponents but I think it's more due to who is ready and willing to fight him. Tyson was still unready, we all know about Povetkin, Pulev only recently built himself, Price got knocked down...

You are left with Wilder, Banks, Adamek... I don't see them as great opponents at the moment. Maybe Wilder in the near future.