Shiming debut/skill set vs Rigondeaux debut/skill set..

[cixthree]

Basically this. He's definitely not garbage, he's just already up there in age and I'm not sure he has enough years to make some kind of great run in the pros, while there's so much to learn about this side of the sport. I think Top Rank had the right idea to try to expand with China, and I know they had a great turnout, but I'm just not sure how far this guy will go (although, do note it was his first pro fight...give the guy a break). And lol @ killing the sport - when that many people gather to watch boxing, nothing about the sport is dying, lol. I guess numbers only matter to TS when Floyd's involved.

You guys are obviously missing the point... this guy just got 300k, he's OVER HYPED and over paid. While guys like Rigo and other guys (With real gifts) have to damn near break necks to get a lil shine.
I understand the marketing aspect, and while I agree it opens up a new pot of money, doing whats best for the money has not always been the best thng for the core/real boxing fans.
Shiming as a fighter is garbage, and not worth the hype thats being put out there.
But as a money making tool, I understand. I'm a fan of boxing, not a fan of the money making buisness in boxing.
Put the money on the real talent IMO, Shiming is a garbage golden ticket

[Cuban Linx]

If people actually watched the Olympics this year, they would know that Shiming was simply not that good.

His Gold medal run was based off gift decisions. He never won a fight convincingly.

IMO he should have turned pro 4 years after the 2008 Olympics. Now he's too old, and too slow and too weak. Also doesn't help that he's in a tough weight class...

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You guys are obviously missing the point... this guy just got 300k, he's OVER HYPED and over paid. While guys like Rigo and other guys (With real gifts) have to damn near break necks to get a lil shine.
I understand the marketing aspect, and while I agree it opens up a new pot of money, doing whats best for the money has not always been the best thng for the core/real boxing fans.
Shiming as a fighter is garbage, and not worth the hype thats being put out there.
But as a money making tool, I understand. I'm a fan of boxing, not a fan of the money making buisness in boxing.
Put the money on the real talent IMO, Shiming is a garbage golden ticket

dude, they're not putting any extra money into Shiming, Shiming is drawing the kind of crowd that generates that kind of money for himself. With all due respect to Rigondeaux, whom I've said nothing but great things about....if Rigondeaux could or would draw that much attention to his pro debut, he would've been paid accordingly. The money has to come from somewhere. Zou drew enough to earn as much.

[kiaba360]

Other than the fact that they are former Olympians, there's no real comparison to be made. Shiming is just starting out, while Rigo is about to face one of the best fighters below 135.

[Cuban Linx]

dude, they're not putting any extra money into Shiming, Shiming is drawing the kind of crowd that generates that kind of money for himself. With all due respect to Rigondeaux, whom I've said nothing but great things about....if Rigondeaux could or would draw that much attention to his pro debut, he would've been paid accordingly. The money has to come from somewhere. Zou drew enough to earn as much.

I have to agree, and I'm surprised some people still don't get this. In boxing you're paid for drawing power, not skill. It sucks, but that's the reality. Zou puts asses in seats and therefore should be paid accordingly.

[cixthree]

dude, they're not putting any extra money into Shiming, Shiming is drawing the kind of crowd that generates that kind of money for himself. With all due respect to Rigondeaux, whom I've said nothing but great things about....if Rigondeaux could or would draw that much attention to his pro debut, he would've been paid accordingly. The money has to come from somewhere. Zou drew enough to earn as much.

I agree 1000% with you... But this is a smoke and mirrors act if I ever seen one, dude is not good. My frustration comes from a fans point of view, they could have put Zou in any slot and the people would have come, but they put a WORLD CHAMPION fight on as the co main?
I just hate the buisness of boxing, and I hate the people who defend the disrespect it brings to the fighters who put in the work.

[cixthree]

I have to agree, and I'm surprised some people still don't get this. In boxing you're paid for drawing power, not skill. It sucks, but that's the reality. Zou puts asses in seats and therefore should be paid accordingly.

I just replied to this, and I also agree... I'm just fed up with the BS buisness of the sport.
You got guys who are in the trenches for years fighting for that payday, but this hyped up, old, been ducking the pro game for years just walks in the door bagging chips?
And he's the main? Com on Son! Total disrespect to Brian V and boxing

[JmH Reborn]

Bum Fans like the OP is the reason why promoters out on crappy cards. Afraid of marquee fighter losing. This guy may have made his pro debut, but he deserves the money he made. 15000 people as well as the millions in China who watched didn't tune in for Martinez, Viloria or whoever, they came for him. So whether he well be next great fighter or not is irrelevant, he drew the crowd, he gets the dough. If 15000 people care about Rigo he would get his money.

yes, I thought he did well. His pro debut, in front of a crowd athletes work their entire lives for, which nerves must play a factor, so I give him the benefit of the doubt. He didn't have a debut like Felix Verdejo, but I'm willing to fund out if this guy can swim with the big boys in the next 24 months

[CubanGuyNYC]

dude, they're not putting any extra money into Shiming, Shiming is drawing the kind of crowd that generates that kind of money for himself. With all due respect to Rigondeaux, whom I've said nothing but great things about....if Rigondeaux could or would draw that much attention to his pro debut, he would've been paid accordingly. The money has to come from somewhere. Zou drew enough to earn as much.

Fact.

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I agree 1000% with you... But this is a smoke and mirrors act if I ever seen one, dude is not good. My frustration comes from a fans point of view, they could have put Zou in any slot and the people would have come, but they put a WORLD CHAMPION fight on as the co main?
I just hate the buisness of boxing, and I hate the people who defend the disrespect it brings to the fighters who put in the work.

you're probably right about people showing up even if he wasn't in the main slot, and he really shouldn't have been. So I agree with you there. But again, he was THE draw...worst case scenario for Top Rank/HBO is that Zou fights and then the crowd begins to exit as the next event begins. I'm just saying, it is an entirely different audience and no one really knew how much interest they had in the other fights. It's a matter of supply and demand. Nonetheless, I agree that for a pro debut he shouldn't have been the main event.