Comments Thread For: Team Martinez: Golovkin, Geale Possible - Who is Quillin?

[DoktorSleepless]

Did you catch Andy's last bout, btw?

I don't think that reflect's Andy Lee's skill level anymore than Bute's last terrible fight reflected his. I think he's better than that. People tend to very shaky and not confident post KO, plus he was with a new trainer.

[MurkaMan]

Rosado didn't give him any problems though. Golovkin beat the holy hell out of him and had him out out there halfway through the fight. There was like one round where Rosado didn't get the **** kicked out of him.

Use the Ouma fight if you're going to use something to talk about Golovkin struggling with defense. Not Rosado.

No I will use the Rosado fight. I never said Rosado even had a chance of winning the fight. Im just saying that when he fought back, and was confident, GGG's punches was flying over his head, on the side of his head, missing, hissing everything. Eating counters and whatnot. When Martinez is fighting slick and smooth, he looks just like that. Just more power. Whatever, just agree to dissagree. I have so many people Im debating with, you and I dont need to argue over something like this, that we both are somewhat agreeing on.

[MurkaMan]

They were excellent opponents for Chavez' progression, but they weren't excellent fighters. Neither guy was top 10, for a reason.

Ummm. I can agree on that. Although I never said e fought any top ten fighters anyway. But yea.

[Good Boy]

Bernard just cherrypicks guys at the right time. He was in a weak division.

So when was the right time to fight Tarver?

[Ravens Fan]

I agree. GGG being untested, and unskilled, will walk into Chavez' punches. Chavez is too big for anyone at that weight to hurt him. We have to remember, GGG is an untested guy knocking out bums. He probably wont have the power for a real elite fighter. Martinez is an elite champion with TREMENDOUS power, and he couldnt even phase Chavez. So its NO WAY GGG will be affective with that style. Chavez will stop him in the 3rd round. Martinez is my favorite, but I think Chavez will stop him in the rematch, due to him being too big for Martinez. In the first fight, he realized that Martinez couldnt hurt him, so he baited Martinez into landing counters, and hitting him while eating a shot. In the rematch, he will do the same thing, only earlier.

Do you seriously believe this?

[MurkaMan]

I'd like you to point me to this consensus. I highly doubt the savvy TR matchmakers set him up for a consensus loss 3 months before his first HBO PPV with the champ.

But yea, that's the only reason anyone gave Lee a chance, cause they thought Chavez was a total bum. Chavez won, so he must be a destroyer?

Did you catch Andy's last bout, btw?

Yea I kind of think Chavez is a beast. He improved remarkably, and he did destroy and ruin Lee. Lee will never be the same after that whipping. Lee got stopped, but not dropped. Martinez dominated, and got totally dropped.

[mathed]

If GGG gassed late against Ouma then how come he scored a late stoppage?

I think what you mean is he gasses in the middle rounds which could be true but so does Martinez.

Also you need to take into account the fact that GGG is improving technically and gaining more experience while Martinez is getting older. Dude is pushing 40 and has a dodgy knee. GGG will not fight a peak Martinez.

To be fair, Ouma lost 5 of his last 7 heading into that fight and hasn't fought since. Like them or not, Martinez' opposition in the past 3 or 4 years barely have more than 4 losses between them. He has stopped most of them broke Chavez' face, a cruiserweight on fight night who had 5 inches in height on him at least. You guys love to take credit away from him and his opposition but he isn't fighting complete bums like some like to believe.


Not you in particular just speaking in a general sense.

[Light_Speed]

He gasses because he's never gone 12 rounds and most of his fights (mostly goat farmers) have gone five or less. And yes he did gas against Ouma, he stopped Ouma (on his feet) because he was also tired and worn from all the damage he'd taken. Anyone can tell that GGG was mentally and physically fatigued in that fight given the sloppiness of the last few rounds.

Also, Sergio doesn't tire in the middle-rounds, he just lowers the tempo and hits second wind in the final third. Against Chavez, he didn't take any breaks though, he fought the full 12 rounds.

So you're basing that on one fight? A fight in which GGG was sick?

Martinez most definitely tires in the middle rounds, we saw it against Williams Pavlik, Macklin and Barker. He breathes with his mouth wide open in those moments, it's quite easy to see when he's tired.

I like how you didn't address my point about Martinez's age and current physical condition.

[MurkaMan]

Do you seriously believe this?

Yea. Because Martinez is going to land anyway. But Chavez didnt realize that he couldnt feel the punches until the last few rounds. He started punching WHILE eating shots, opposed to trying to punch and avoid. I think he will stop Martinez in the rematch within 6 rounds, since he knows this now.

[HeroBando]

I don't think that reflect's Andy Lee's skill level anymore than Bute's last terrible fight reflected his. I think he's better than that. People tend to very shaky and not confident post KO, plus he was with a new trainer.

Yeah I know, I should refrain from using that line. But, Grachev has proven a very capable gatekeeper type, really must be the overachievingest guy in boxing. So even here at least 2 (at least) levels between the opponents they struggled with after a bad loss.