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Nonito Donaire is P4P the #1 Fighter In Boxing
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I don't think much seperates the top 4 p4p fighters which are Ward, Mayweather, Donaire, and Marquez. I have Sergio #5. So i don't think having Donaire #1 is out of line, especially if he beats Rigo.
Ward: His pros are that he pretty much cleaned out the SMW division minus Bute, who i think we all agree he would have defeated. He beat the top LHW who came down in weight. I am a big Dawson fan and even if they fought at LHW the chances are Dawson was going to lose, but he likely would have not been stopped.
Cons- I guess people will say he didn't move up to LHW and show his skills against the best there. It is possible he can still do that.
My Rating: #1 P4P
Mayweather : The pros are that he is undefeated and by May 2012 he actually held titles in both the WW and JMW division. He is possibly the most skilled fighter even at this stage of his career.
Cons-Yes, he has not fought the best competition, and the perception is that he ducked opponents. If no Canelo in September than the Ducking stigma would further plague him. The other major con is that he has only fought once a year since his comeback. We will see if he actually fights in September making it the first year since 2007 that he fought more than once.
My rating: #2 P4P
Marquez: The pro is simply that in many eyes he beat the former P4P king twice recently. This was an incredible feat as Pacquiao pretty much dominated every opponent since his last Marquez match in 2008. Marquez also proved to be the King at LW and even added a fourth divisional title, although it was an interim title that was elevated to regular champ after Bradley was stripped due to fighting exclusively as a WW. I have seen close to 50 marquez bouts and he was only dominated by Mayweather. I thought he did beat Norwood by a point, and it would have been by more if a knock down that should have been scored would have counted, also had him beat JOhn (114-112 even with the 2 point deductions).
Cons: He is getting older and despite his KO win over Pac looked a bit slow, perhaps due to bulking up. It is likely that he may fight only once this year.
My Rating: #3 P4P
Donaire Pros is that he is a very busy fighter demonsrated with his four bouts last year. He won FOTY for 2012. Among the most gifted Ambidextrous fighters of recent times. Has won titles in three divisions, and a fourth interim title. Has won most of his recent bouts easily, only really tested by Concepcion in the last five years. If he beats Rigo than you can make a case that he is top 2 or 3 P4P. He still can climb more divisions.
Cons: Due to the Top Rank-GBP situation he won't face the biggest challenge in the SBW division which was Mares. Styles make fights, and i think Mares physical style and good chin would be more problematic than Rigo. Donaire at times keeps his hands down which allows him to get countered, however his chin has held up, we will see if it holds up against Rigo?
My Rating: #4 P4P (if he beats Rigo by dec than he will go #3, if he gets KO than #2).
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I think Ward and Donaire have done more in the past few years than Floyd has. Yet he is still number one more so by default because he is still (barely) active.
After Donaire beats Rigo he should be number 2. Especially if he wins by KO.
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Originally posted by -Antonio- View PostI think Ward and Donaire have done more in the past few years than Floyd has. Yet he is still number one more so by default because he is still (barely) active.
After Donaire beats Rigo he should be number 2. Especially if he wins by KO.
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Originally posted by HaglerSteelChin View PostI don't think much seperates the top 4 p4p fighters which are Ward, Mayweather, Donaire, and Marquez. I have Sergio #5. So i don't think having Donaire #1 is out of line, especially if he beats Rigo.
Ward: His pros are that he pretty much cleaned out the SMW division minus Bute, who i think we all agree he would have defeated. He beat the top LHW who came down in weight. I am a big Dawson fan and even if they fought at LHW the chances are Dawson was going to lose, but he likely would have not been stopped.
Cons- I guess people will say he didn't move up to LHW and show his skills against the best there. It is possible he can still do that.
My Rating: #1 P4P
Mayweather : The pros are that he is undefeated and by May 2012 he actually held titles in both the WW and JMW division. He is possibly the most skilled fighter even at this stage of his career.
Cons-Yes, he has not fought the best competition, and the perception is that he ducked opponents. If no Canelo in September than the Ducking stigma would further plague him. The other major con is that he has only fought once a year since his comeback. We will see if he actually fights in September making it the first year since 2007 that he fought more than once.
My rating: #2 P4P
Marquez: The pro is simply that in many eyes he beat the former P4P king twice recently. This was an incredible feat as Pacquiao pretty much dominated every opponent since his last Marquez match in 2008. Marquez also proved to be the King at LW and even added a fourth divisional title, although it was an interim title that was elevated to regular champ after Bradley was stripped due to fighting exclusively as a WW. I have seen close to 50 marquez bouts and he was only dominated by Mayweather. I thought he did beat Norwood by a point, and it would have been by more if a knock down that should have been scored would have counted, also had him beat JOhn (114-112 even with the 2 point deductions).
Cons: He is getting older and despite his KO win over Pac looked a bit slow, perhaps due to bulking up. It is likely that he may fight only once this year.
My Rating: #3 P4P
Donaire Pros is that he is a very busy fighter demonsrated with his four bouts last year. He won FOTY for 2012. Among the most gifted Ambidextrous fighters of recent times. Has won titles in three divisions, and a fourth interim title. Has won most of his recent bouts easily, only really tested by Concepcion in the last five years. If he beats Rigo than you can make a case that he is top 2 or 3 P4P. He still can climb more divisions.
Cons: Due to the Top Rank-GBP situation he won't face the biggest challenge in the SBW division which was Mares. Styles make fights, and i think Mares physical style and good chin would be more problematic than Rigo. Donaire at times keeps his hands down which allows him to get countered, however his chin has held up, we will see if it holds up against Rigo?
My Rating: #4 P4P (if he beats Rigo by dec than he will go #3, if he gets KO than #2).
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Originally posted by thuggery View PostThis troll is almost as good as "Fighting Pride" was.
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Originally posted by blak81 View PostWhat's more important, the # of fights or the quality of the fights?
Before all 4 fights Nonito was in last year, did it ever cross your mind that he would lose? If it didn't cross your mind then you don't even believe they were quality wins.
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Originally posted by DempseyRollin View Postand thats fine, but ward has already done that. in the span of 3 years look who hes beaten with little to no break in between. tough fighters considered among the best in the sport.
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