Top 12 heavywights h2h all-time

[JAB5239]

Great list but Joe Loius would be #2 IMO

All time I rank him #1. I could definitely make an argument for him being #2 h2h or even 1, but Im pretty comfotably with him where he is. Thats just my opinion though. I resoect you would put him at 2 and I definitely know the reasons why my friend.

[Good Boy]

Too hard to speculate heavyweights. that whole "1 punch" argument

[JAB5239]

Too hard to speculate heavyweights. that whole "1 punch" argument

On the contrary, I think its more difficult to do the lighter weights like 135, 147, 160 etc., where talent and skills are much deeper historically.

[Good Boy]

On the contrary, I think its more difficult to do the lighter weights like 135, 147, 160 etc., where talent and skills are much deeper historically.

Really? I find 147 and 160 far easier than HW. Hell, even 175. People got too big and eras got too weak in the HW division for my liking to rate. I see too many Kbros rated top 5 and Holmes rated #2 on sites for my liking. Top 5 should be the limit for H2H lists in a single weight because it gets too messy after.

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Ali, Lewis, Tyson, Louis, Holyfield

the rest are just fodder IMO

[kiDynamite92]

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Jack Johnson
4. George Foreman
5. Sonny Liston
6. Joe Frazier
7. Larry Holmes
8. Mike Tyson
9. Rocky Marciano
10. Jack Dempsy
11. Evander Holyfield
12. Lennox Lewis

I don't have Lewis in the top 10 because he can be ko'd by a decent puncher eg. McCall (Rahman was a huge puncher so I don't blame him from not getting up after that) and because he can be outboxed by a smaller guy eg. Bruno, Mercer. Some people also would like to have Larry Holmes much higher because he's a near copy of Ali, but I don't think he had the toughness of Ali to beat Foreman, Liston, Louis and he didn't have the footwork of Ali to overcome a prime Joe Frazier.

[Cuban Linx]

good list, Lewis could beat anyone .

[Marcov]

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
4. Jack Johnson
5. Jack Dempsey
6. Rocky Marciano
7. Evander Holyfield
8. George Foreman
9. Lennox Lewis
10. Mike Tyson

[JAB5239]

obviously I meant Ali from of the sixties. I think that Ali of seventies is the underdog against Liston

I think also that Marciano was better fighter than Frazier and a h2h top 10 ranking without Rocky is a crime

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Jack Johnson
4. George Foreman
5. Sonny Liston
6. Joe Frazier
7. Larry Holmes
8. Mike Tyson
9. Rocky Marciano
10. Jack Dempsy
11. Evander Holyfield
12. Lennox Lewis

I don't have Lewis in the top 10 because he can be ko'd by a decent puncher eg. McCall (Rahman was a huge puncher so I don't blame him from not getting up after that) and because he can be outboxed by a smaller guy eg. Bruno, Mercer. Some people also would like to have Larry Holmes much higher because he's a near copy of Ali, but I don't think he had the toughness of Ali to beat Foreman, Liston, Louis and he didn't have the footwork of Ali to overcome a prime Joe Frazier.

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
4. Jack Johnson
5. Jack Dempsey
6. Rocky Marciano
7. Evander Holyfield
8. George Foreman
9. Lennox Lewis
10. Mike Tyson

I love Marciano and I respect you guys, but I just don't see how Marciano or Dempsey can make a h2h top ten or even twelve list. Im sure both would make a top 20, but I kust think their are to many arguments against them.

[ninerdude90]

If I'm naming twelve heavyweights that I think could beat anyone on a given night, I'd have to mention Rid**** Bowe in his short-lived prime.

[Cyberspace]

You can tear my list down, but Im hoping other will post their own list and reasons. Remember, keep the discussion civil.

The top 12 heavyweight h2h all time

1. Muhammad Ali - Showed his ability to overcome adversity many times and his skills would carry him over nearly every fighter ever.

2. Lennox Lewis - I will inevitably hear about his chin, but no fighter had his skills, size, power and agression when he was at his very best.

3. Larry Holmes - One of the gutsiest and most determined fighters with a skillset and chin to match.

4. Joe Louis - The greatest heavyweight if all time in my opinion. That doesn't mean his style wouldn't allow him to lose at times. It wouldn't be often, but it keeps him from being the best h2h in my opinion.

5. George Foreman - The man could be beat, but lets face it he could destroy any fighter on any given night.

6. Joe Frazier - I have a feeling Frazier being so high will bring a lot of controversy. But with his skill, stamina and tenacity it think few beat him at their respective bests.

7. Sonny Liston - At his best Liston was a tyrant capeable of beating nearly any man in history....and he was mean. A skilled, hard punching fighter who wasn't just in the ring for sport...he wanted to hurt you.

8. Wladimir Klitschko - Any man who can stay focused after 7 years and keep reigning on top has to be great and a threat to most fighters in history. He still doesn't crack my all time top 10 list, but with his skills, size and logevity he deserves a spot on this one.

9. Evander Holyfield - He wan't called the warrior for nothing. Had the chin, skills and stamina to fight with the best in history.

10. Vitaly Klitschko - As much as I hate to give anything to a guy I consider hugely overrated, Vittles is a tough guy and would be at any time in history. His size and awkwardness would provide problems for many fighters.

11. Mike Tyson - No fighter in history was better in the first 4 rounds. If you were lucky to get through them you still weren't out of danger, but you gave yourself a chance.

12. Jack Johnson - Any man who could fight under the duress Johnson was under would persevere and be great in any era. Oh, and the guy could fight.

How did Wlad make it in the top 10?