Top 12 heavywights h2h all-time

[Ryn0]

Liston. Great jab, poor footwork/speed allows him to lose to faster footed guys with good jabs and a decent chin.

I think Holmes, Lewis might get to him.

I also think Marciano and Dempsey are criminally underrated for their size, Marciano especially. He had a huge punch and he maximized his size disadvantage making hard to hit with a jab by fighting out of a crouch and had good head movement.

Marciano was actually hard to hit from the outside, it's only once you got inside with him like Moore, Charles and Walcott did could you do your damage, but then you were in range of his punches. I think around 9-10 would be sufficient. If you have a poor inside game you were going to struggle with Marciano.

Tyson is also overrated by most, his problem was not fighting on the inside by defending on the inside. Holyfield exploited then and to a lesser extent Bonecrusher Smith. Also once faster footed guys with good jabs got out of the first half of the fight the fight would swing in their favour. I think Lewis exploits that very well with a prime Tyson.

[ShamrockXpress]

Hahahahahahahaha

Your laughing because I have bowe and Tyson so high? This isn't based on achievement, it's based on the best versions turning up. A motivated bowe would be too big, too strong, too quick for most heavyweights. His inside game was as good as any heavyweight, he had a granite chin and above average power. You big up Lewis. He struggled with an old shot Holyfield. Bowe beat a better Holyfield more clearly, lost a close decision while unmotivated and knocked him out while past it. Tyson on his day had the combination of speed, head movement and ferocity to be effective against most heavyweights. He would have intimidated the win out of most fighters.

[Pugilist King]

Liston. Great jab, poor footwork/speed allows him to lose to faster footed guys with good jabs and a decent chin.

I think Holmes, Lewis might get to him.

I also think Marciano and Dempsey are criminally underrated for their size, Marciano especially. He had a huge punch and he maximized his size disadvantage making hard to hit with a jab by fighting out of a crouch and had good head movement.

Marciano was actually hard to hit from the outside, it's only once you got inside with him like Moore, Charles and Walcott did could you do your damage, but then you were in range of his punches. I think around 9-10 would be sufficient. If you have a poor inside game you were going to struggle with Marciano.

Tyson is also overrated by most, his problem was not fighting on the inside by defending on the inside. Holyfield exploited then and to a lesser extent Bonecrusher Smith. Also once faster footed guys with good jabs got out of the first half of the fight the fight would swing in their favour. I think Lewis exploits that very well with a prime Tyson.

shot to **** tyson went to the 8th with lewis.

come on man. a prime tyson had power footwork and speed. but what really gave him his edge was his will to win. even late into the fight he could unleash massive punches that could put his opponent out(ribalta, tyrell biggs). people like to say that he would start to fade a little after the 6th round but who wouldnt putting up a pace like he would? by then his opponent would be more faded from the constant tyson onslaught. even then tyson had enough energy to finish and wear down opponents to a wide UD for the rest of the fight.

[RichCCFC]

1. Ali
2. Holmes
3. Foreman
4. Lewis
5. Louis
6. Tyson
7. Liston
8. V Klitschko
9. Frazier
10. Holyfield
11. W.Klitschko
12. Bowe

Marciano could easily make the list but seeing as it's h2h I'll go with my gut and say the above 12 beat him

[Pugilist King]

i would put vitali on that list at the very bottom because in his prime he was a solid fighter. but wlad gets blown out with anyone on that list. **** man i dont even think he gets past frank bruno.

[LacedUp]

1. Ali
2. Holmes
3. Foreman
4. Lewis
5. Louis
6. Tyson
7. Liston
8. V Klitschko
9. Frazier
10. Holyfield
11. W.Klitschko
12. Bowe

Marciano could easily make the list but seeing as it's h2h I'll go with my gut and say the above 12 beat him

I could definitely roll with this list.
Interesting though, that you have Holmes #2 H2H above Lewis? On my list, a prime Holmes would fall just short of Lewis, therefore making #3.

[Capaedia]

Well their build is almost identical to start with. They had the same temperament and the same bully mentality. They both stalked their opponents and both liked to throw hooks from the get go as opposed to start off with a jab. Admittedly, this applies more to Tyson than Liston. Tyson's technique and ring IQ was much better than Liston's was. I'm talking 80s Tyson.

Liston stalked and waited for his opportunity while softening them up from the outside, he'd use his footwork to keep himself in range for his own jab and straight right until he felt they were weak enough to go in for the kill.

A crash course in how a Listoning is done would be the two Williams' fights. He outboxes Williams until he is softened enough to bull inside and overpower him then take him out with single, powerful shots.

He had no problem with waiting for the KO opportunity. Actually he was probably a bit more safety first than he should've been. That's why he has more mid to late KOs under his belt.

Actually you can see the stark difference in styles between Liston and Tyson in the Patterson fight, where he is against a fighter who does resemble Tyson

With that all said, I don't think I need to describe Tyson's style. But I will say in short, Tyson was a front-runner who looked for an early knockout from mid-range, set up with head movement, and Liston was primarily an outside boxer (capable at any range) who just looked for any kind of knockout by grinding them down.

How can you say they couldn't be much more different? They could be like Wlad-Tyson for example which is a helluva lot more different from those two,

They could also be compared to a double amputee. It's an expression, don't take that part too seriously. Stylistically, Wlad and Liston are closer than Tyson and Liston. Although Liston was much more willing to mix it up and take risks. Which isn't saying much.

Louis and Liston are a much better comparison.