Top 12 heavywights h2h all-time

[Jc8804]

1. Ali
2. Joe louis
3. Jack johnson
4.marciano
5.holyfield
6.tyson
7. Holmes
8.foreman
9.lewis
10.dempsey
11.liston
12.fraizer

This list is the truth

[Capaedia]

His reach wasn't the best and his movement was static. Also, his best wins were over Floyd Patterson and I don't think those wins are good enough to position him higher than the Klitschkos. But that's just my opinion. I was never a big fan of Liston.

I really do think he was a poor mans Mike Tyson.

What similarities do you see between Liston and Tyson?

Louis, perhaps. But Tyson and Liston couldnt be much more different.


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[BostonGuy]

I would replace Vitali with Wladimir on the list. Wlad has had a more accomplished career and hw reign than his brother and his resume much stronger IMO.

[yoz]

Anyone who ranks Tyson and Bowe ahead of Lewis is a fool.

[LacedUp]

What similarities do you see between Liston and Tyson?

Louis, perhaps. But Tyson and Liston couldnt be much more different.


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Well their build is almost identical to start with. They had the same temperament and the same bully mentality. They both stalked their opponents and both liked to throw hooks from the get go as opposed to start off with a jab. Admittedly, this applies more to Tyson than Liston. Tyson's technique and ring IQ was much better than Liston's was. I'm talking 80s Tyson.

How can you say they couldn't be much more different? They could be like Wlad-Tyson for example which is a helluva lot more different from those two,

[Jc8804]

The same lennox lewis who wanted a rematch
With past it tyson. Wasnt tyson 10 yrs removed from prime
And didnt this same lewis go put out with one shot twice
And he also faught An old holyfield??

Lewis is solid. Nothing more

[DreamFighter]

The same lennox lewis who wanted a rematch
With past it tyson. Wasnt tyson 10 yrs removed from prime
And didnt this same lewis go put out with one shot twice
And he also faught An old holyfield??

Lewis is solid. Nothing more

is it Lewis fault that they were getting on when he fought them?

Did he delay fighting them until they turned VERY old (for example like the K brothers do, though they do it against much more middling opposition)?

[SCtrojansbaby]

Great list but Joe Loius would be #2 IMO

lol he's a small cruiserweight/big light heavyweight

[JAB5239]

lol he's a small cruiserweight/big light heavyweight

He trained down to 205. Put him on today's supplements, steroids and burger king regiment and he's easily 220. That's irrelevant anyway, his skill far superseded size. You can see this with his destructions of both Baers, Simon and Carnera.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

You can tear my list down, but Im hoping other will post their own list and reasons. Remember, keep the discussion civil.

The top 12 heavyweight h2h all time

1. Muhammad Ali - Showed his ability to overcome adversity many times and his skills would carry him over nearly every fighter ever.

2. Lennox Lewis - I will inevitably hear about his chin, but no fighter had his skills, size, power and agression when he was at his very best.

3. Larry Holmes - One of the gutsiest and most determined fighters with a skillset and chin to match.

4. Joe Louis - The greatest heavyweight if all time in my opinion. That doesn't mean his style wouldn't allow him to lose at times. It wouldn't be often, but it keeps him from being the best h2h in my opinion.

5. George Foreman - The man could be beat, but lets face it he could destroy any fighter on any given night.

6. Joe Frazier - I have a feeling Frazier being so high will bring a lot of controversy. But with his skill, stamina and tenacity it think few beat him at their respective bests.

7. Sonny Liston - At his best Liston was a tyrant capeable of beating nearly any man in history....and he was mean. A skilled, hard punching fighter who wasn't just in the ring for sport...he wanted to hurt you.

8. Wladimir Klitschko - Any man who can stay focused after 7 years and keep reigning on top has to be great and a threat to most fighters in history. He still doesn't crack my all time top 10 list, but with his skills, size and logevity he deserves a spot on this one.

9. Evander Holyfield - He wan't called the warrior for nothing. Had the chin, skills and stamina to fight with the best in history.

10. Vitaly Klitschko - As much as I hate to give anything to a guy I consider hugely overrated, Vittles is a tough guy and would be at any time in history. His size and awkwardness would provide problems for many fighters.

11. Mike Tyson - No fighter in history was better in the first 4 rounds. If you were lucky to get through them you still weren't out of danger, but you gave yourself a chance.

12. Jack Johnson - Any man who could fight under the duress Johnson was under would persevere and be great in any era. Oh, and the guy could fight.

I take it h2h means head to head as if they fought each other? If so, here's my list:

1. Muhammad Ali

2. Mike Tyson

3. Larry Holmes

4. Lennox Lewis

5. George Foreman

6. Joe Frazier

7. Wlad Klitschko

8. Ri**** Bowe

9. Vitali Klitschko

10. Jack Johnson

11. Joe Louis

12. Sony Liston

Wlad could possibly be #5, but his chin is questionable.