Who ranks higher ATG, Lewis or Wladamir

[Earl-Hickey]

Well we can do it other way around too. Would Lennox be able to handle fast, skillful, hard handed southpaw guy? He never fought the one (southpaw)... I think he would but my point is you need to apply same criteria for both fighters.
I don't have a problem with people choosing Lennox, but to say it's not comparable it's a far stretch.. They are very close, resume-wise and H2H wise.

Taking both H2H and resume I have both of them in my top5.

For one thing i think the Holyfield that lewis fought would stop Wlad.

That's the difference, and really it's an entire thread of it's own

[PEBBLES!]

That's where you are deluded. I fully agree that Haye is not great. He didn't put up as good a show vs Wlad as I expected - I don't even claim he would beat Vitali. Just that he has a good shot and I'd like to see it.

I like his style of fighting. That's it.

If I mention Brewster to you, you would be the first to claim he was drugged and what not. That's why there's no point in discussing anything with you. You sound like a boy, you act like a boy and you have no impartiality.

Haye's style of fighting is rotten. without his raw power, he's really a badly limited fighter.


as for the bold, it's funny to see you going crazy with the assumptions based on no evidence of partiality on my part. everything i've said about you has been based on actual commentary that you have submitted - you vastly overstate Haye's worth and entitlement.

for my part, i'm not even a Klitschko diehard of any description.

[ShamrockXpress]

Its not even close, seriously.

Resume vs. Resume - Lewis wins
H2H - Lewis wins.

We don't actually know how GOOD Wladimir is. Its a sad truth. He was stopped by Sanders et al early in his career; but he hasn't been 'tested' since then, as Wladimir v.2.

Like I say in almost every fantasy thread, you have to take into account the 'level' of opposition. Not Wladimir's fault, I know; but the standard is incomparable.

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Oh, and please don't mention David Haye. Lewis would have beaten that fraud before the first bell.

I don't think the h2h is so clear both have ATG jabs and stiff powerful right hands and below average whiskers. As of now lewis' resume outshines Wlads but that's because we don't no what people are going to become. What if wlad beats pulev then retires, then pulev goes on to unify the division. Wouldn't this be a big win? A victory over the next dominant heavyweight. This could happen, wlad could also be knocked out by pianeta in his next fight, but untill it happens we can't make a fully informed decision. People talk about wlad having no prime ATGs on his record but who does lewis?

[Barry Halls]

Lewis obviously.

But Wladimir could end up top10 if he keeps winning.

[Weltschmerz]

For one thing i think the Holyfield that lewis fought would stop Wlad.

That's the difference, and really it's an entire thread of it's own

[yoz]

Just to clarify, I have Wladimir in my top 10. Its just I have Lewis higher.

[Simurgh]

For one thing i think the Holyfield that lewis fought would stop Wlad.

That's the difference, and really it's an entire thread of it's own

I don't think so.
I would choose prime Haye (one that fought Wlad) over Holyfiled (that fought Lewis)... but as you said that's the new thread.

Actually I won't choose any version of Holyfiled to beat this version of Wlad.

[LacedUp]

Haye's style of fighting is rotten. without his raw power, he's really a badly limited fighter.


as for the bold, it's funny to see you going crazy with the assumptions based on no evidence of partiality on my part. everything i've said about you has been based on actual commentary that you have submitted - you vastly overstate Haye's worth and entitlement.

for my part, i'm not even a Klitschko diehard of any description.

What are you on about? "Badly limited"? He throws every punch in the book, not just the 1-2. But I wouldn't expect you to know otherwise. You have probably only seen the Wlad & Valuev fights.

No it has not. You went back to 2008-2011 and assumed what I thought about Wlad. You can always go and check my previous threads. I have stated many times that wlad is an ATG, not top 10, but ATG and I have a lot of respect for him. I just don't like his style of fighting, it bores me. But if its good for you, then good for you.

[Earl-Hickey]

I don't think the h2h is so clear both have ATG jabs and stiff powerful right hands and below average whiskers. As of now lewis' resume outshines Wlads but that's because we don't no what people are going to become. What if wlad beats pulev then retires, then pulev goes on to unify the division. Wouldn't this be a big win? A victory over the next dominant heavyweight. This could happen, wlad could also be knocked out by pianeta in his next fight, but untill it happens we can't make a fully informed decision. People talk about wlad having no prime ATGs on his record but who does lewis?

1. Holyfield (LL)
2. Vitali (LL)
3. Tua (LL)
4. Bruno (LL)
5. Haye (WK)
6. Briggs (LL)
7. Golota (LL)
8. Briggs (LL)
9. Rahman 2 (LL)
10. Peter 1 (WK)

That's the top 10 wins of the two ranked imo

You could move some of Lewis' around, but Wlads are pretty much concrete

It's really not close

[LacedUp]

I don't think so.
I would choose prime Haye (one that fought Wlad) over Holyfiled (that fought Lewis)... but as you said that's the new thread.

Actually I won't choose any version of Holyfiled to beat this version of Wlad.

No no no. Holyfield is way underrated on this forum.