Originally posted by Welter_Skelter
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Should David Haye get another Wlad shot?
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Originally posted by JAB5239 View PostI agree with everything you said except Wlad delivering. He didn't cut off the ring, he followed Haye around and was content to jab his way to a boring albeit unanimous decision. He could have done so much more be he seemed afraid to take chances. And if the WBA sees fit to grant Haye another shot than so be it. If they don't I'm fine with that too. I've been pretty vocal about ALL contenders fighting the best to earn their right. I just won't sit by though and say one guy can do one thing but another can't. There should be the same set of standards for all contenders and champions alike.
Wlad is hardly unique fighting bums to stay active and earn money.. There really is no one left for him to fight.
Every division, except maybe 140-147 is pretty thin on ELITE talent.. When you have been champ for 7-8 years, you have two choices, Fight who you can or retire.. It's pointless fighting the same few guys year after year because they remain in the top 10 if you have already beaten them.. You do what every long reigning champ has done throughout history.. You pad your stats and cash in.. If you want to talk about the same standards why can't Wlad do what every other boxer (champ) not named Carl Froch does?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Welter_Skelter View PostWell the most important punch in Boxing is the jab.. I agree with what you are saying except that Wlad owned the center of the ring for all 12 rounds. He moved forward for all 12 rounds. I am sure he tried to KO Haye.. I give Haye his credit. He stayed out of Harm's way.. Not an easy thing to do for 12 rounds against a powerful accurate puncher.. But to resort to the tired argument that Wlad is boring is just irrelevant fallacy. It does not matter if he is boring.. What matters is winning.
Wlad is hardly unique fighting bums to stay active and earn money.. There really is no one left for him to fight.
Every division, except maybe 140-147 is pretty thin on ELITE talent.. When you have been champ for 7-8 years, you have two choices, Fight who you can or retire.. It's pointless fighting the same few guys year after year because they remain in the top 10 if you have already beaten them.. You do what every long reigning champ has done throughout history.. You pad your stats and cash in.. If you want to talk about the same standards why can't Wlad do what every other boxer (champ) not named Carl Froch does?
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Originally posted by Weltschmerz View PostWlad schooled and embarrassed Haye.
He dominated the fight, sure; but Wlad was ultra conservative (understandable when you're in a with dangerous 'puncher'). Obviously it didn't help that Haye was on the run for 10 of the 12 rounds.
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Originally posted by gmc_rfc_06 View PostWlad won clearly, but there was nothing close to that.
The fight sucked, both guys fought with too much fear and there was very little in most of the rounds. Wlad landed 29 power shots all fight...
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Wlad has looked good in his last three outings since but I'd fear another dull, tactical fight with Haye not delivering on his promises again.
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Originally posted by Weltschmerz View PostWlad didn't fight with fear, he brought the fight to Haye most of the time and pressed the action throughout the bout. Haye, the challenger who said he would go in there and take Wlad's head off, failed to engage in the fight.
Wlad was pressing forward, but 29 power shots tells the story. He was staying at safe distance and throwing little other than jabs which IMO was because he was worried about the right hand. Haye was the same, he was worried about the right hand and in turn was happy staying at distance....he had his hands down because he didn't worry about the jab, but Wlad didn't take the bait and kept his right hand at home.
I understand why they fought that way in fairness, you dont want to mess around with another big puncher, but man it was a borefest.
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Originally posted by gmc_rfc_06 View Postboth of them fought with fear imo.
Wlad was pressing forward, but 29 power shots tells the story. He was staying at safe distance and throwing little other than jabs which imo was because he was worried about the right hand. Haye was the same, he was worried about the right hand and in turn was happy staying at distance....he had his hands down because he didn't worry about the jab, but wlad didn't take the bait and kept his right hand at home.
I understand why they fought that way in fairness, you dont want to mess around with another big puncher, but man it was a borefest.
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