"I do everything average" Tim Bradley

[IronDanHamza]

bingo.

reflexes are reflexes and defensive technique is defensive technique. reflexes can serve you defensively, but there's a distinction there.


it's wrongheaded to use Holt as an example against Bradley. he came in careless and tightened up that D after the knockdown while still hunting Holt down. he got complacent and wild again in the other bookending round, but he was as faultless and as responsible as an offender can get against a pretty sharp counter-puncher for the bulk of the fight.




still working out this Weezy sadness. will be back.

Reflexes are a key part of a guys defense. It's like saying "Would he be offesnively great without his power and speed?"

How good is Mayweather defense without his reflexes? Or Whitaker's? Both of their defenses are two of the best the sport has ever seen and without the reflexes I doubt you could say the same.

I didn't use the Holt example, by the way. That was just a response. Holt didn't hit Bradley that much.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Here's the thing, just because I'm saying Bradley doesn't have a very good defense doesn't mean I'm saying he has a poor defense.

Bradley isn't easy to hit, I'm not implying he is. But he's not overly hard to hit either.

And I don't think Marquez get's hit as much as you are making out. Did Kastidis really hit Marquez that often?

Bradley is not easy to hit,which is why he has very good defense..You wanna name Holt,cool..Bradley dominated him,the only rds he(Holt)won were when he put Bradley down..Meaning two..That's telling..Mind you Bradley was still pretty green in that fight..Peterson did not touch Bradley,and Peterson is a very determined kinda fighter..Pac clearly missed Bradley a bunch..While Bradley stood in front and yes exchange with Pac for the better part of the fight..

Yes Marquez was hit a bunch early in his fight with Kats..But Kat's is a horrible fighter let's be honest(great heart and fun,but not that good at all)..Diaz is another who touch Marquez up(a bunch),what about John Barrera??All these guys touch Marquez up..IMO I always thought Marquez was a very smart fight who could make tiny changes in his punch selection to become more effective..Never felt he was some defensive master or even that good tbh..Marquez is a counter puncher who get's hit and then can return fire..But keyword for him is he get's hit,consistently..Bradley never really get's the same punch landed on his twice,first time I've really seen it was in the Pac fight..Which was to be expected,being the fact that it's Pac...

[IronDanHamza]

Bradley is not easy to hit,which is why he has very good defense..You wanna name Holt,cool..Bradley dominated him,the only rds he(Holt)won were when he put Bradley down..Meaning two..That's telling..Mind you Bradley was still pretty green in that fight..Peterson did not touch Bradley,and Peterson is a very determined kinda fighter..Pac clearly missed Bradley a bunch..While Bradley stood in front and yes exchange with Pac for the better part of the fight..

Yes Marquez was hit a bunch early in his fight with Kats..But Kat's is a horrible fighter let's be honest(great heart and fun,but not that good at all)..Diaz is another who touch Marquez up(a bunch),what about John Barrera??All these guys touch Marquez up..IMO I always thought Marquez was a very smart fight who could make tiny changes in his punch selection to become more effective..Never felt he was some defensive master or even that good tbh..Marquez is a counter puncher who get's hit and then can return fire..But keyword for him is he get's hit,consistently..Bradley never really get's the same punch landed on his twice,first time I've really seen it was in the Pac fight..Which was to be expected,being the fact that it's Pac...

I didn't bring up Holt.

And just because you're not easy to hit doesn't mean you have great defense.

And I'm not saying Marquez is a defensive master either. Just that he has a better defense than Bradley. IMO.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Reflexes are a key part of a guys defense. It's like saying "Would he be offesnively great without his power and speed?"

How good is Mayweather defense without his reflexes? Or Whitaker's? Both of their defenses are two of the best the sport has ever seen and without the reflexes I doubt you could say the same.

I didn't use the Holt example, by the way. That was just a response. Holt didn't hit Bradley that much.

But you missed the point,Ali and Jones relied solely on their reflexes..While Whitaker Mayweather B-Hop(esp B-Hop)don't only rely on their reflexes but other intangibles..

[Rome-By-Ko]

I didn't bring up Holt.

And just because you're not easy to hit doesn't mean you have great defense.

And I'm not saying Marquez is a defensive master either. Just that he has a better defense than Bradley. IMO.

Cool we're all welcome to have or own opinions,I'm cool with that..

But Marquez is known as a warrior,while Bradley known for being a boring fighter(which is funny because he is pressure in more then half his fights)..There's a reason for this,Marquez is always getting tag or KD while Bradley is not being hit and easily handling his opponent...

IMO you can't have better defense then a guy who get's hit less then you..I just don't see how that's possible..

[S. Saddler 1310]

Reflexes are a key part of a guys defense. It's like saying "Would he be offesnively great without his power and speed?"

it's not that the technically sound defenders lack reflexes, its more that they strike a more even balance between acquired technique and quickness of reaction.

my point is that we're comparing fighters who are more reflex than technique to fighters who are as much technique as reflex/more technique than reflex, which is unfair. it's apples and oranges.

but the defence that serves a man better in the longterm is the 'better defence', imo.

How good is Mayweather defense without his reflexes? Or Whitaker's? Both of their defenses are two of the best the sport has ever seen and without the reflexes I doubt you could say the same.

dull their reflexes somewhat, they'd both be effective defenders.

again, it's the balance that makes them two of the greatest defenders of all time.

[Rome-By-Ko]

If you think Bradley's defense is better than a prime Roy Jones or a prime Muhammad Ali than that's the point I'm making.

I absolutely do not see that and I find it to be preposterous.

I guess we see things differently, you guys see something I don't.

Bradley seems to cut people 50/50. I know I'm not alone in my thoughts but neither are you guys.

Dude Roy Ali Mosley SRL made tons of defensive mistakes..But were so gifted physically and with their reflexes most could not capitalize on it till they were much older,or their reflexes diminished more..

[IronDanHamza]

Cool we're all welcome to have or own opinions,I'm cool with that..

But Marquez is known as a warrior,while Bradley known for being a boring fighter(which is funny because he is pressure in more then half his fights)..There's a reason for this,Marquez is always getting tag or KD while Bradley is not being hit and easily handling his opponent...

IMO you can't have better defense then a guy who get's hit less then you..I just don't see how that's possible..

Bradley get's labeled a boring fighter IMO because he's not a KO puncher and is often sloppy. I don't agree that he's boring but I can understand why. I don't think people find him boring because he's defensive.

Bradley is a warrior too in my eyes. If Bradley get's hurt, he doesn't back down. Not many people would have got up from that shot Holt him with nor would they push forward after the shots Pacquaio landed on him.

In regards to your last statment, Roy Jones and Ali in their primes got his way less than Bradley does now but you said he has a better defense than them, right?

Roy Jones in his prime didn't get hit any where near as much as James Toney in his prime but who has the better defense? Most would say Toney.

[IronDanHamza]

Dude Roy Ali Mosley SRL made tons of defensive mistakes..But were so gifted physically and with their reflexes most could not capitalize on it till they were much older,or their reflexes diminished more..

Mosley was never good defensively, he was an offesnive machine.

Leonard was pretty good defensively when he chose to be. Surely you're not saying Bradley is better defensively than him too?

Roy Jones and Ali barely got hit at all in their primes.

[S. Saddler 1310]

Jones looked like David Price eating that Tarver left cross. wider open than a MF'er.

sorry, it had to be said.


but it leads to another point i'd like to make re. the defence of a guy like RJJ. you've got to bear in mind that the quickness of Roy's offence was a significant part of his defence, too. once upon a time, his offence was so lightning fast that his left hook would've gotten there much quicker and with more force, disrupting whatever Tarver tried to come back with. Roy selected a shot that his mind told him he could make, based on what he'd always been able to do, and he got nailed with something that wouldn't have reached him in his athletic prime.