How controversial was Calazaghe's split decision win over Hopkins?

[DreamFighter]

I think you will find the fight was signed too happen in 2001,but Hopkins pulled out and chose to fight Hakker instead,for half the money me would have got for the Calzaghe fight

To me, that sounds like he was awaiting a negotiation for a larger sum of money, and fought hakker to keep busy, and plenty more better besides later. Its Joe who fought a long string of poorly paid contests versus weak fighters after that fight was cancelled instead of chasing better opponents.

I find it hard to believe that a guy like Bernard, a militant non-ducker, ducked a guy who fights journeymen regularly, just so he could wait till he was in his mid-forties to fight him, thereby losing most of his advantages.

Its just way to fishy, considering their comparative resumes, to assume that Bernard ducked Joe.

[crold1]

It doesn't seem like that was as clear a loss for B-Hop as the second Chad Dawson fight, for example.

It wasn't very controversial at all. There was no hue and cry at the time even from those in the press who had Hopkins up a point. There is a small mass that still brings it up a lot, moreso over time. Most fans, by a fairly large margin, on here and other boards scored for Calzaghe on fight night. The minority who scored for Bernard bring it up so it may give the impression that anyone was actually sweating the decision fight night. Few were.

It isn't controversial even now. This was no Pea-Chavez or Lewis-Holyfield. At best, it's debatable in the purest sense of the word: it fosters debate. Some people get pissed, a lot say it was close either way, and most who scored it for Calzaghe just laugh at how upset Calzaghe's passionate loathers and/or X worshippers get about the verdict.

[S. Saddler 1310]

You must have a very loose definition of punches. Actually these are the gloves Clazaghe used to train for the fight....

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Grant Calzaghe's limited adition

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

114-113 Hopkins. Score hasnt changed for me.

[Fish_Scotland]

It wasn't very controversial at all. There was no hue and cry at the time even from those in the press who had Hopkins up a point. There is a small mass that still brings it up a lot, moreso over time. Most fans, by a fairly large margin, on here and other boards scored for Calzaghe on fight night. The minority who scored for Bernard bring it up so it may give the impression that anyone was actually sweating the decision fight night. Few were.

It isn't controversial even now. This was no Pea-Chavez or Lewis-Holyfield. At best, it's debatable in the purest sense of the word: it fosters debate. Some people get pissed, a lot say it was close either way, and most who scored it for Calzaghe just laugh at how upset Calzaghe's passionate loathers and/or X worshippers get about the verdict.

I'm going to save your post just so I can repost it when this thread comes up next week and the week after......

[Exciterx30]

115-115 for Calzaghe?

There was a slip there. It's 115-112 Calzaghe. Still, I had mentioned it was 8 to 4 Calzaghe, minus the knockdown and that clears it up.

[ShoulderRoll]

It wasn't very controversial at all. There was no hue and cry at the time even from those in the press who had Hopkins up a point.

Cool, thanks for weighing in Cliff. How did you score it at the time?

[Guest]

Just dug up my scorecard from when I last watched this barnburner:

Rounds I gave to BoreHard:
1, 3, 4 (1 a 10-8 round, of course).

Rounds I gave to Slapsie:

5, 7, 9, 11, 12.

Rounds that I felt could legitimately have gone either way they were so ****ing awful:
2, 6, 8, 10

Dreadful "fight". While people like to talk about the accuracy of Bore Hard's shots, they neglect to mention that 90% of his work was mauling and Hopkinating. My score was, roughly, 114-113 Bore Hard, but it was an awful fight. Joe's work was ragged, but if you're a low output fighter it's hard to win rounds against that slap rate.

[I Love Jesus!]

Numbers don't lie. Hopkin's measly 127 punches landed was pathetic compared to Calzaghe's 232 punches. You calling Joe a slapper makes Hopkin's look even worse he lost to a slapper.

Again you must have a very loose definition of "punches" but hey sissy types need a hero to. I'm not just calling Joe a slapper he is a slapper and everyone knows it. Hopkins got robbed. Find 1 punch Calzaghe landed that would even hurt my grandmother? It doesn't exist.

[I Love Jesus!]

Joe landed the most punches anybody has ever landed on Hopkins, including the first Roy Jones jr fight.

Joe also landed a whopping 115 more punches then Hopkins did, 232 to 127.

Karma is real people. Hopkins disrespected an entire race of people with his racist remarks and as a result he got robbed. Happens to the best of them. I think Hopkins learned from this experiance though, I haven't heard 1 racist remark come out of his mouth since, good for him.

Fixed it for you