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He beat an undefeated title holder 17 years his younger but guys like Broner are supposed to be P4P material with his best actual win being against Tony DeMarco? What really constitutes a P4P fighter then?
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It's not even about "If Broner is there then....". It's a lot more than Broner, it's Guerrero, Donaire, Pacquiao, Bradley [good fighter but hasn't beaten a notable fighter since Alexander]. Wlad is in a disgustingly weak division, but he does belong up there.
I remember Cliff Rold talking about why he had Pacquiao as #1, and it was because of what Pacquiao has done "in the last 5 years" [god knows what that is, I have no idea]. Well Hopkins in the last 5 years has beaten Winky Wright, an undefeated Kelly Pavlik, Ring Champion Jean Pascal, IBF champion Tavoris Cloud, on top of that, close fights against Calzaghe and Dawson. I say this guy belongs in the top P4P.Comment
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It just further illustrates the question, what does qualify one as a P4P boxer? I just used Broner as an example and there are a few guys that I would say actually do belong there and some that don't. Is it a career accomplishment thing or a what have you done for me lately thing?
Is it simply getting wins or the notable names on your resume? If it is just wins, then both Wlad and Vitali should be 1 and 2 without a doubt. To me, the meaning of P4P is just rubbish at this point because the Ring (as biased as they are) has their rankings, ESPN has another, Boxrec another, so on and so forth.
I agree though, Hopkins has done more than most of the guys in the last 5 years who are on the P4P list.Comment
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I do not see why not.
I see no reason why Canelo & Broner and some others in or around the top 10 should be above B-Hop.Comment
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Not entirely about the wins
Id like to just put in my two cents here. I agree that there isnt a unanimous decision here as to what p4p rankings actually are (no pun intended). IMO p4p rankings should be as it is a separate ranking system with its own distinct feature. It is not the top 10 list of who is fastest, top 10 list of the who has the strongest punch, and dare i say not the top 10 list of the greatest fighters currently active. IF it was so, then obviously youll have there at the top two Pac and Mayweather easily.
In a hypothetical world, if there was some sort of machine that can resize every single fighter to a single weight class barring they have all the same power, speed, height, reach, fist size etc.etc. proportional to their original size; then you made every single fighter fight one another in the squared circle, the ten guys who would have the best win-loss ratio would compose your p4p list.
Hence, it is not completely about what Hopkins has done in the last 5 years (which is a ****load), how great Manny was in 2009 , or what is the only thing Broner has done (beat up Demarco), but rather if it came down to it who would win a championship fight in Las Vegas in this mythical weightclass in an ordinary day between certain fighters.
This is just me, but in this sport of boxing where there isnt a lot of data to base a current fighters performance due to nature of the sport (unlike say basketball players who you can sort of gauge week by week), a fighter is only as good as his last fight. So in my p4p list I base the eligibility of a fighter based on his most recent performance only, considering the opponent, the result, the magnitude of the fight etc.etc. I now ask myself a question...Do I think B-Hop's performance against Cloud would put him in my top 10 list? Well, I think the likes of Pac, Ward, Bradley would be too young and fierce for him; Mayweather the Klitschkos will out jab him, Donaire and Martinez far too fast for his ever-so-declining reflexes, and Froch maybe edging it out in the final rounds. Tough decision but there are also other good fighters looking to break the list and so I think Ill say no.Comment
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