I scored Cloud vs Hopkins a draw...

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

You can start by scoring all your 10-10 rounds.

Right. I mean 4 even rounds. There's your problem thread starter.


Hopkins won a very clear fight. It was wider than I expected. I gave Cloud 2 rounds.

[raskat]

Right. I mean 4 even rounds. There's your problem thread starter.


Hopkins won a very clear fight. It was wider than I expected. I gave Cloud 2 rounds.

well, that is not a problem. I never scored 4 even rounds in a fight, at least not that I recall.
The fight itself was so close that I just didn't want to give a total even round to a certain guy. Because I want to end up with a correct scorecard and not with some ****** scorecard.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

well, that is not a problem. I never scored 4 even rounds in a fight, at least not that I recall.
The fight itself was so close that I just didn't want to give a total even round to a certain guy. Because I want to end up with a correct scorecard and not with some ****** scorecard.

Fair enough. There were some close rounds but watching that fight Cloud didn't deserve 6 rounds. The 116-111 cards the judges had was too close imo. I think they were generous scores. I gave him 2 rounds and the judges gave him 4.

There isnt any scenario where Cloud actually did enough to get a draw or even enough to win. He looked pretty bad last night. Most of it was because of Hopkins but he didnt put many rounds in the bag at all imo.

[Abstraction]

There were some close rounds, but that doesn't mean you give it a draw.

Hopkins was landing cleaner and more regularly and controlled the tempo in nearly all the rounds.

The only time i saw Cloud landing anything was on Hopkins' arm whenever the Referee tried to break them up.

Apart from that i counted only a handful of clean shots, i think 2/3 clean right hands from Cloud. That's all. He was throwing haymakers and lost balance more times than he landed. Seriously, come on now.

Cloud on the other hand had cuts above each eye. 'nuff said.

[mathed]

Please stop saying Hopkins outclassed Cloud and won almost every round, cause he didn't. The HBO commentary makes it look like Hopkins is putting on a masterclass when he isn't throwing ANY PUNCHES and is just standing there doing nothing or moving away.

I scored 4 rounds a draw: rounds 1,2,4 and 9.
I gave Hopkins rounds 3,6,11 and 12
I gave Cloud rounds 5,7,8 and 10

And I was REALLY HAVING A HEADACHE giving rounds 11 and 12 to Hopkins cause he basically didn't really win them.
And even rounds 3 and 6 which I gave to Hopkins were in reality almost drawish kind of rounds.

So PLEASE watch the fight without commentary and you will see that apart from nothing happening the whole fight, you can make a case of Cloud outworking Hopkins and winning the fight by a point or two.
And don't get me wrong, I think it is incredible that Hopkins at age 48 can hang in there with Cloud, but to say he wins a round in which he is not doing anything is...well....

You don't work for Don King do you? Hopkins was 48, Cloud is a known volume puncher who is ultra aggressive. There is more than just punching going on in the ring, there is a tactical battle. That 48 year old man took Cloud out of his comfort zone and forced him to fight at Hopkins' speed and at Hopkins' distance. In a round where neither guy is landing much, I look at who controlled the round in other areas (ring generalship) and Hopkins controlled 10 or 11 of the rounds in that fight.

Hopkins landed more power punches, more jabs, had the clearer shots and toyed with Cloud. It actually did look like a master chastising a student in there last night.

[mathed]

There were some close rounds, but that doesn't mean you give it a draw.

Hopkins was landing cleaner and more regularly and controlled the tempo in nearly all the rounds.

The only time i saw Cloud landing anything was on Hopkins' arm whenever the Referee tried to break them up.

Apart from that i counted only a handful of clean shots, i think 2/3 clean right hands from Cloud. That's all. He was throwing haymakers and lost balance more times than he landed. Seriously, come on now.

Cloud on the other hand had cuts above each eye. 'nuff said.

Exactly, and the off balance shots is a great point. When I was watching the fight last night, I commented several times that when Hopkins was able to make Cloud flail into the ropes after a miss, it really detracts from any momentum that Cloud may have had going for him in that round. Hopkins would walk away slowly and look back at Cloud while smiling which was a tactic that implied to the fans and more importantly, the fans, that Hopkins was in complete control.

[piojo del norte]

Some rounds could have gone either way since some had low activity.

[#1Assassin]

In the interest of balance, you got upset that someone suggested Borehard could possibly be taking PED's(dont recall you getting so uppity about Manny being accused..hmm), so your opinion is worth less than his as you are clearly biased as **** and possibly a bit of a bumsniff.

wow.. you are proper clueless..

1. i didnt get upset, i just stated my opinion.

2. the manny situation is very different. he turned down the biggest fight and payday of his career because he refused to take the test and offered no good reason why. with hopkins some guy just said, "look how well hes performing, he might be on drugs!"

two entirely different situations.

3. im not biased at all, i keep the same standards for all fighters. the pacquiao situation with PEDs however cant be compared to that of hopkins, in fact there is no situation when it comes to hopkins. thats not be being biased its just a fact.

if and when hopkins is approached in negotiations to take a test and refuses, i will gladly question him and the same applies to all fighters. questioning ppl at random isnt remotely the same.

[RichCCFC]

Please stop saying it was close and a draw, it wasn't.

[Ray Corso]

I scored it a .................Bore!!! As usually Bernard spars his way through with a glorified sparring partner! Thats a disgrace to think that was a World Title match. This is why Boxings at the bottom of the heap below hockey!
People today don't know what a great fighters performance consists of. This was 36 minutes ticking off and there was maybe 3:00 of actually confrontation. He's a bore at any age! A waste of time to watch! Ray.