whats wrong with fighting @ a catchweight?

[Scarcaztic]

Not when your fighting former LWs and fight night weights are very close , your right when its a full blown big WW and he is not drained at all .

The trouble with fans not understanding how it works is they fail to see the big picture they just see numbers that have no real meaning to them .

History shows big WW can go up to MW even LW , and in Hearns case CRW , small WWs dont make MM very well .

Guys dont go up and fight big guys of the division they fight small ones , can you imagine Jones and Lewis , thats why he chose Ruiz , not a big HW and very slow .

We get it. You hate Pacquiao. LOL.

[Enzo Mc is SHIT]

Nobody's saying it's impossible to move up and be effective. What's being said is that you're naturally at a disadvantage. A catchweight can be used to equalise that.

[Scarcaztic]

Nobody's saying it's impossible to move up and be effective. What's being said is that you're naturally at a disadvantage. A catchweight can be used to equalise that.

He's looking at it through everyone's perspective besides Pacquiao's.

Pretty obvious.

[RVABoxer]

Youve never boxed in comp for money have you , and you got no idea the politics and pressure too sign big fights .

When a fight takes place and you can see one is weight drained , or you see the things happen like IV fluids used to try and rehydrate something , or diuretics , its called added information , its pretty dumb to credit or discredit a fighter until all the evidence is in and thats generally after the fight .

No I have not and I do have an idea of the politics and I def was thinking about the pressure as far as money but at the end of the day the fighter decides to sign that contract sure they could take another for less money its their choice whether they want the record or the money. I don't blame them for taking the money route I definitely would.

[Reloaded]

Karma didn't catch up with him. JMM caught up with him. A guy he's fought with 3 previous times. LOL.

The Pac detractors didn't fool me into thinking that those fights were lop sided for Manny either.

last time I checked, Manny fought JMM after Floyd did. They were around the same weight come fight night. Manny wasn't moving down to JWW, and didn't want to go up and down. JMM really wanted the fight. Easy solution. Make it at WW, and no weight perameters. They both pretty much came in at a catch weight.

Sounds good on paper dont it , keep believing it kid lol .


Karma =Manny got iced by a guy Floyd toyed with and Manny weighed in more than Floyd did and JMM weighed the same weight with both .

Karma = Roach tried to slow JMM down by forcing him up , his words , Manny iced ,

Karma= JMM was robbed and made to kiss ass and agree to anything to get the fight , Manny got iced .

Karma= ODH destroyed by the CW , Cotto Ducked without a CW , Margo Diuretics to make weight , no CWs and Manny looses to little guys , Manny got iced .

Karma is payback in the eyes of god .

[crold1]

First of all how do you manipulate a catchweight?

second of all Henry Armstrong made Tony Canzoneri come down to 142 instead of the 147 for a welterweight championship bout.

Sugar Ray Leonard made Donny Lalonde come down an entire division at 168 for the 175 championship

Julio Cesar Chavez also forced Whitaker to come down to 145 instead of 147 for a welterweight title bout.

Oscar De La Hoya forced Bernard Hopkins for the 160 Middleweight championship bout to be held at 157.

Cotto comes down 1 pounds and pac is the CW king of history

First, Hank never fought Canzoneri. It was Ross and I'm not sure he made Ross come down at all. Ross came in at his normal fighting weight. The one stip I know of was Hank was supposed to have to come in heaver (around 139) but a rain delay negated the artificial meal jamming Hank did. Hank thrashed him giving up around ten pounds. Hank gave up weight in catchweight fights (like for Jenkins) but there is little evidence of him abusing bigger guys. He didn't stip for Garcia at Middleweight for instance.

[KingTito]

Catchweights are fine, but when it's used as an advantage or when it's unnecessary , it becomes a problem.

[crold1]

No but he manipulated them more than any high profile fighter in history .

That's absurdly untrue.

[Scarcaztic]

Sounds good on paper dont it , keep believing it kid lol .


Karma =Manny got iced by a guy Floyd toyed with and Manny weighed in more than Floyd did and JMM weighed the same weight with both .

Karma = Roach tried to slow JMM down by forcing him up , his words , Manny iced ,

Karma= JMM was robbed and made to kiss ass and agree to anything to get the fight , Manny got iced .

Karma= ODH destroyed by the CW , Cotto Ducked without a CW , Margo Diuretics to make weight , no CWs and Manny looses to little guys , Manny got iced .

Karma is payback in the eyes of god .

Nah. He got caught by a guy he fought with 3x. LOL. The fight with ODLH wasn't a catch weight. It was a cherry pick that back fired on ODLH. LOL.

[Bushbaby]

A catchweight here & there is ok. But when you try & make a career out of them, there's a problem.