How did YOU score Matthysse vs Judah?

[John Barron]

all i remember is favoring matthysse's body work all through out the fight and zab looking cute with his jab.

[Dr Rumack]

Why even have a thread like this ,nothing but matthysse nut huggers fact is most rounds were close and the judges scored it accordindly problem is Matthysse fans can't stand the fact their hero has two L's to Judah and freakin Devon Alexander so he loses all credibility in his war god status he has on nsb.

Obvious trolling aside there's a point that's worth addressing here.

Lucas isn't quite our 'hero'. That's the first thing. He is a guy who is an excellent fighter, who has got a very raw deal from the business of boxing. The recognition that he gets is almost entirely from hardcore boxing fans, the likes of which frequent a place like this.

Look at all his rivals at 140, Peterson, Khan, Garcia, Rios, all these guys have gotten several title shots and Matthysse never has, despite the fact that a majority of hardcore fans thinks he's better than all of them.

This is the discrepancy that leads people to talk him up. Unlike fighters whose hype outweighs their ability, Matthysse's ability far outweighs the hype. And don't make the mistake of thinking boxing nuts talking about him all the time equals hype, because it doesn't. If the opinions of hardcore boxing fans counted for much then the matchmaking in this sport would be a hell of a lot different.

[Weebler I]

Why even have a thread like this ,nothing but matthysse nut huggers fact is most rounds were close and the judges scored it accordindly problem is Matthysse fans can't stand the fact their hero has two L's to Judah and freakin Devon Alexander so he loses all credibility in his war god status he has on nsb.

I'm actually a Zab Judah fan but he lost this fight, it's right there on video.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Obvious trolling aside there's a point that's worth addressing here.

Lucas isn't quite our 'hero'. That's the first thing. He is a guy who is an excellent fighter, who has got a very raw deal from the business of boxing. The recognition that he gets is almost entirely from hardcore boxing fans, the likes of which frequent a place like this.

Look at all his rivals at 140, Peterson, Khan, Garcia, Rios, all these guys have gotten several title shots and Matthysse never has, despite the fact that a majority of hardcore fans thinks he's better than all of them.

This is the discrepancy that leads people to talk him up. Unlike fighters whose hype outweighs their ability, Matthysse's ability far outweighs the hype. And don't make the mistake of thinking boxing nuts talking about him all the time equals hype, because it doesn't. If the opinions of hardcore boxing fans counted for much then the matchmaking in this sport would be a hell of a lot different.

I'm gonna have to disagree with you here..Matt's has yet to prove his ability to win and make the most of his advantages..If you believe Matt's beat Judah or not,one thing is for certain..It was a close fight,tbh I felt his fight with Alexander was close as well..Now I gave him the nod on my cards in that fight..But it was closer then people try to make it seem..I count body shots,I count jabs,and I count controlling your opponent and not allowing him to have the kind of fight he wants..Judah and Alexander had success in this regard..

But Matt's get's really hyped on this forum..Now he's starting to get it from the networks..He may deserve it,but to say he's not being a bit hyped is not being truthful..Dude has beat nobody of note,and has not KO'd not fighter of note..But yet you have several people and even Networks acting as if this is the most avoided guy in the sport..You earn fights by winning fights..Which(if you agree with it or not)Matt's has not done..

[nachorjj]

I have Lucas wining for 2 or 3 points

[Bigg Rigg]

116-112 Matthysse

[The Big Dunn]

None of those other things matter more than who is landing the punches. The only ones creating their own scoring system are the ones who let defense and generalship and how pretty a punch looked matter as much as who is landing punches.

Clean punching. If matts harder shots are hitting parts of zabs gloves and arms and zabs pitty pat jabs are landing flush zab is winning not matts. If zab is boxing and moving and matts is stalking zab is winning ring generalship and defense. Matts my be more agressive but its "effective agression". So if matts is throwing more punches but is landing on arms and gloves he's not winning the effective agression either.

I can respect peoples opinions but round scoring is not opinion. There are clear rules as to how to score. If youu are a fan that prefers power or brawling to boxing and moving that's fine. But a hard hook to the arm doesn't count as much as a soft flush landing jab. If you score it the other way you are wrong based on the rules.

If you call what zab did running as many have fine, that's your opinion. But from a scoring perspective that running-unless its something on the odh/trinidad level-is not a negative when scoring by the officia criteria.

[#1Assassin]

i had judah by a point. i wouldnt complain if it was scored a draw or even a matthysse win though, it was that close. matthysse wasnt robbed though, it could have gon either way and you cant let it get that close especially in your opponents backyard.

[RingGeneralship]

Obvious trolling aside there's a point that's worth addressing here.

Lucas isn't quite our 'hero'. That's the first thing. He is a guy who is an excellent fighter, who has got a very raw deal from the business of boxing. The recognition that he gets is almost entirely from hardcore boxing fans, the likes of which frequent a place like this.

Look at all his rivals at 140, Peterson, Khan, Garcia, Rios, all these guys have gotten several title shots and Matthysse never has, despite the fact that a majority of hardcore fans thinks he's better than all of them.

This is the discrepancy that leads people to talk him up. Unlike fighters whose hype outweighs their ability, Matthysse's ability far outweighs the hype. And don't make the mistake of thinking boxing nuts talking about him all the time equals hype, because it doesn't. If the opinions of hardcore boxing fans counted for much then the matchmaking in this sport would be a hell of a lot different.

excuses,please he lost.this is my problem everytime someone brings up a potential opponent for matthysse this board goes h.a.m. saying how everyone will just get walked down and destroyed within 6 rounds give or take.its annoying as hell because when he went up against the two toughest opponents in his career he lost i admit controversily but he lost.

then he ko's dallas jr. and even he starts talking about how garcia might not want to fight him after that [i mean come on, really!!!]he's starting to believe his own hype train.as for other guys getting title shots you actually need to beat someone relevant first,now if he fights peterson and wins(which he won't) then he will get one.did you not just hear paulie this is "prize fighting " matthysse brings no money NO ONE IS DUCKING HIM.i get people on nsb like him because he comes forward and throws punches but there is more to BOXING. the hype train needs to calm down just like the golovkin train, good but not great fighters.

[Russian Crushin]

Clean punching. If matts harder shots are hitting parts of zabs gloves and arms and zabs pitty pat jabs are landing flush zab is winning not matts. If zab is boxing and moving and matts is stalking zab is winning ring generalship and defense. Matts my be more agressive but its "effective agression". So if matts is throwing more punches but is landing on arms and gloves he's not winning the effective agression either.

whats with all these "ifs"? This isn't a fantasy fight, it actually happened. It clear on video. And on video it clearly shows zab jabbing into mid air and rarely landing a jab let alone flush. 90% of them were into midair, they never even reached Lucas' gloves. His aggression was effective because it allowed him to land the cleaner harder punches. So only Lucas gets scored on effective aggression, zab doesn't right

I can respect peoples opinions but round scoring is not opinion. There are clear rules as to how to score. If youu are a fan that prefers power or brawling to boxing and moving that's fine. But a hard hook to the arm doesn't count as much as a soft flush landing jab. If you score it the other way you are wrong based on the rules.

how about hooks and clean str8s to the body vs jabbing into mid air? You know, what actually happened in the fight. You're scoring the fight for the boxer mover, you did the same with the Devon fight. If you're going backward and throwing weak ass jabs, you have them as the winner, punches obviously don't matter in your scoring.

If you call what zab did running as many have fine, that's your opinion. But from a scoring perspective that running-unless its something on the odh/trinidad level-is not a negative when scoring by the officia criteria.

It is a negative when you run around, don't land anything, while getting hit with clean power punches. At that point it's not being a defensive wizard, it's just surviving. Didnt you say something above about effective aggression also?