Mayweather-Guerrero to be for The RING WW title

[Kagami Taiga]

I can actually buy this argument.

well its between him and manny. it really doesnt matter because floyd isnt fighting either manny or marquez. im not even gonna argue that this should be foir the ring belt, because it probably shouldnt. i just dont think its that serious. this isnt some huge injustice.

[-PBP-]

well its between him and manny. it really doesnt matter because floyd isnt fighting either manny or marquez. im not even gonna argue that this should be foir the ring belt, because it probably shouldnt. i just dont think its that serious. this isnt some huge injustice.

I don't have a problem with it because, let's be serious; Marquez ain't fighting at 47 unless its Pacquiao. He's not going to fight Floyd, Alexander/Brook, Malignaggi or any other top 10 guy at 47 for that matter. Even his trainer dismissed Bradley as a potential option. And Floyd easily beat Marquez already and there is no demand for a rematch.

You can argue Pacquiao but he's basically lost 2 of his last 3 fights (Marquez III and IV).

The rest are all within close distance of each other.

Guerrero and Alexander are about the same in terms of wins at 47.

Bradley's best win at the weight is Abregu but does have a win over Alexander who is a beltholder.

Brook is there by default. Completely unproven.

Malignaggi is just a name that's babysitting a belt and using it as a lottery ticket for a final cash out.

And the rest are just there because you need to have at least 10.

[Russian Crushin]

floyd is already the lineal champ, doesnt really matter what larry says.

Floyd retiring in 2008 or whenever dropped that title. He was the last person to be the lineal champ but is isnt one anymore

[Larry the boss]

Floyd retiring in 2008 or whenever dropped that title. He was the last person to be the lineal champ but is isnt one anymore

yes he is once again the Lineal champion




Paddy Duffy (1888-1890; died 7/10/1890, not 7/19/1890)
"Mysterious" Billy Smith (1892-1894)
Tommy Ryan (1894-1898; Vacated title)
"Mysterious" Billy Smith (1898-1900)
William "Matty" Matthews(1900)
Eddie Connolly (1900)
James "Rube" Ferns (1900)
William "Matty" Matthews (1900-1901)
James "Rube" Ferns (1901)
Joe Walcott (1901-1904)
Dixie Kid (1904; Outgrew division)
Billy "Honey" Mellody (1906-1907)
Mike "Twin" Sullivan (1907-1908; Vacated title)
1908-1914 -- A mad scramble for the welterweight title followed Sullivan's reign. Among the claimants were Frank Mantell, Harry Lewis, Jimmy Gardner, Jimmy Clabby, Perry "Kid" Graves and future champs Jack Britton and Ted "Kid" Lewis.

Waldemar Holberg (1914)
Tom McCormick (1914)
Matt Wells (1914-1915)
Mike Glover (1915)
Jack Britton (1915)
Ted "Kid" Lewis (1915-1916)
Jack Britton (1916-1917)
Ted "Kid' Lewis (1917-1919)
Jack Britton (1919-1922)
Mickey Walker (1922-1926)
Pete Latzo (1926-1927)
Joe Dundee (1927-1929)
Jackie Fields (1929-1930)
"Young" Jack Thompson (1930)
Tommy Freeman (1930-1931)
"Young" Jack Thompson (1931)
Lou Brouillard (1931-1932)
Jackie Fields (1932-1933)
Young Corbett III (1933)
Jimmy McLarnin (1933-1934)
Barney Ross (1934)
Jimmy McLarnin (1934-1935)
Barney Ross (1935-1938)
Henry Armstrong (1938-1940)
Fritzie Zivic (1940-1941)
Freddie "Red" Cochrane (1941-1946)
Marty Servo (1946; Vacated title)
"Sugar" Ray Robinson (1946; Vacated crown 1950)
Kid Gavilan (1951-1954)
Johnny Saxton (1954-1955)
Tony DeMarco (1955)
Carmen Basilio (1955-1956)
Johnny Saxton (1956)
Carmen Basilio (1956-1957; Relinquished crown)
Virgil Akins (1958)
Don Jordan (1958-1960)
Benny "Kid" Paret (1960-1961)
Emile Griffith (1961)
Benny "Kid" Paret (1961-1962)
Emile Griffith (1962-1963)
Luis Manuel Rodriguez (1963)
Emile Griffith (1963-1966; Vacated title)
Curtis Cokes (1966-1969)
Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles (1969-1970)
Billy Backus (1970-1971)
Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles (1971-1975)
John H. Stracey(1975-1976)
Carlos Palomino (1976-1979)
Wilfred Benitez(1979)
"Sugar" Ray Leonard(1979-1980)
Roberto Duran (1980)
"Sugar" Ray Leonard (1980-1982; Vacated title )
Donald Curry (1985-1986)
Lloyd Honeyghan (1986-1987)
Jorge Vaca (1987-1988)
Lloyd Honeyghan (1988-1989)
Marlon Starling (1989-1990)
Maurice Blocker (1990-1991)
Simon Brown (1991)
James "Buddy" McGirt (1991-1993)
Pernell Whitaker (1993-1997)
Oscar De La Hoya (1997-1999)
Felix Trinidad, Jr. (1999-2000; Vacated title)
"Sugar" Shane Mosley (2000-2002)
Vernon Forrest (2002-2003)
Ricardo Mayorga (2003)
Cory Spinks (2003-2005)
Zab Judah (2005-2006)
Carlos Baldomir (2006)
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. (2006-2008; Retired from weight class)
"Sugar" Shane Mosley (2009-2010)
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. (2010-Present)

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/welter.htm

[Larry the boss]

Nobody wants to see it but it would be between the clear #1 and #2 fighters at 147. If they dont fight in a rematch, then nobody should get it. It should always be between the top 2 fighters, im not sure why anyone would disagree with that. Yea its a Ring rule, but it doesnt make it right. Then we'll have guys like LArry calling the winner a lineal champ when he wont be

Floyds been lineal

[Russian Crushin]

yes he is once again the Lineal champion




Paddy Duffy (1888-1890; died 7/10/1890, not 7/19/1890)
"Mysterious" Billy Smith (1892-1894)
Tommy Ryan (1894-1898; Vacated title)
"Mysterious" Billy Smith (1898-1900)
William "Matty" Matthews(1900)
Eddie Connolly (1900)
James "Rube" Ferns (1900)
William "Matty" Matthews (1900-1901)
James "Rube" Ferns (1901)
Joe Walcott (1901-1904)
Dixie Kid (1904; Outgrew division)
Billy "Honey" Mellody (1906-1907)
Mike "Twin" Sullivan (1907-1908; Vacated title)
1908-1914 -- A mad scramble for the welterweight title followed Sullivan's reign. Among the claimants were Frank Mantell, Harry Lewis, Jimmy Gardner, Jimmy Clabby, Perry "Kid" Graves and future champs Jack Britton and Ted "Kid" Lewis.

Waldemar Holberg (1914)
Tom McCormick (1914)
Matt Wells (1914-1915)
Mike Glover (1915)
Jack Britton (1915)
Ted "Kid" Lewis (1915-1916)
Jack Britton (1916-1917)
Ted "Kid' Lewis (1917-1919)
Jack Britton (1919-1922)
Mickey Walker (1922-1926)
Pete Latzo (1926-1927)
Joe Dundee (1927-1929)
Jackie Fields (1929-1930)
"Young" Jack Thompson (1930)
Tommy Freeman (1930-1931)
"Young" Jack Thompson (1931)
Lou Brouillard (1931-1932)
Jackie Fields (1932-1933)
Young Corbett III (1933)
Jimmy McLarnin (1933-1934)
Barney Ross (1934)
Jimmy McLarnin (1934-1935)
Barney Ross (1935-1938)
Henry Armstrong (1938-1940)
Fritzie Zivic (1940-1941)
Freddie "Red" Cochrane (1941-1946)
Marty Servo (1946; Vacated title)
"Sugar" Ray Robinson (1946; Vacated crown 1950)
Kid Gavilan (1951-1954)
Johnny Saxton (1954-1955)
Tony DeMarco (1955)
Carmen Basilio (1955-1956)
Johnny Saxton (1956)
Carmen Basilio (1956-1957; Relinquished crown)
Virgil Akins (1958)
Don Jordan (1958-1960)
Benny "Kid" Paret (1960-1961)
Emile Griffith (1961)
Benny "Kid" Paret (1961-1962)
Emile Griffith (1962-1963)
Luis Manuel Rodriguez (1963)
Emile Griffith (1963-1966; Vacated title)
Curtis Cokes (1966-1969)
Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles (1969-1970)
Billy Backus (1970-1971)
Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles (1971-1975)
John H. Stracey(1975-1976)
Carlos Palomino (1976-1979)
Wilfred Benitez(1979)
"Sugar" Ray Leonard(1979-1980)
Roberto Duran (1980)
"Sugar" Ray Leonard (1980-1982; Vacated title )
Donald Curry (1985-1986)
Lloyd Honeyghan (1986-1987)
Jorge Vaca (1987-1988)
Lloyd Honeyghan (1988-1989)
Marlon Starling (1989-1990)
Maurice Blocker (1990-1991)
Simon Brown (1991)
James "Buddy" McGirt (1991-1993)
Pernell Whitaker (1993-1997)
Oscar De La Hoya (1997-1999)
Felix Trinidad, Jr. (1999-2000; Vacated title)
"Sugar" Shane Mosley (2000-2002)
Vernon Forrest (2002-2003)
Ricardo Mayorga (2003)
Cory Spinks (2003-2005)
Zab Judah (2005-2006)
Carlos Baldomir (2006)
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. (2006-2008; Retired from weight class)
"Sugar" Shane Mosley (2009-2010)
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. (2010-Present)



http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/welter.htm

How did Mosley become the Lineal Champ in 2009?

Floyds been lineal

No he retired it in '08 and then pick up a fake one from Cotto-Marg w

[Kagami Taiga]

Floyd retiring in 2008 or whenever dropped that title. He was the last person to be the lineal champ but is isnt one anymore

I'm pretty sure everyone considers him lineal champ. He beat Mosely for it and it was established after Moseley beat margs. #1 n #2. He's lineal for all intents and purposes. Only other fighter who could have disputed the lineal claim back when mosely rocked nargs was pwill and he had already left the division and never returned.

[Bushbaby]

You're saying Robert beating Berto and Aydin is better then JMM destroying Pac theres a whole lot wrong with that

Never ever in any post did I say Ghost's 2 wins are better than Marquez', nor did I say the ghost should be ranked higher. I said the Ghost has 2 quality wins & Marquez only has 1. That isn't saying it's better. It's saying he has more. But the Floyd/Marquez chapter is closed, 12 rounds to none. The Ghost is up next as the 3rd ranked welterweight, period.

It would be a whole lot wrong, except you're making stuff up, typical on nsb.

[4Corners]

I don't see the issue. Who has a better WW resume the past couple years than Floyd??? Marquez, now the #2 fighter there after knocking out Manny. Mosley, who really should have been the #1 guy there because he beat Margarito when he was #1. Ortiz, the #2 guy at the time. Now it'd be Guerrero, the #3 at the time. I mean those are all good wins now and then at WW.

I don't mind it.

[SlySlickSmooth]

Should be Bradley vs Mayweather for the Ring WW title. It only makes sense with Floyd's logic of who he fights.