Jack Reiss: "Victor did not quit against Josesito Lopez"

[El Angel]

All of this could have been avoided if he didn't slug it out with his mouth wide open.

Pretty much. Hopefully he learned his lesson on an issue a lot of fighters currently do, just don't ever pay for it.

[nico_akia]

did all of you watch the video?

[bojangles1987]

What round are they saying the jaw broke in now? The 2nd? 1st? Did it break during training camp and he's a super warrior who went into the fight with it now?

[HeroBando]

I think the fact he quite for the Maidana fight, had a lot to do with why he got so much **** for quitting this fight. I think most of those fans that were on his case, understand now.

Yeah no doubt. It doesnt help he mentally checked out after 4 rounds vs Peterson, or the "get me out of here" headbutt on Floyd.

[Southpawology]

When did ortiz break his jaw before the 9th round? Because he was able to bite down and talk to his corner up until the end of the 9th round. He broke his jaw in the 9th from josesitos left hook and a spit second after it landed you can visibly see his entire face change from the intense pain.

[pugilistprophet1994]

Unfortunately for him he's not competing against NSB posters, but against fellow boxers many of which would have continued with a broken jaw. For example Abraham, Paulie, Mathebula, Jojo Dan.

Yes, but just cause some boxers can continue with broken jaws doesn't mean they all can. Some people just can't tolerate that much pain, doesn't mean he's a quitter. I was extremely disappointed when he lost to Lopez, but do I understand why he didn't wish to fight anymore? Yes it's very understandable, it's easy for people on these boards to call him a "quitter" when many of them have never fought before. He's a warrior for fighting as long as he did with that jaw broken, he needed 2 surgeries afterwards. It was actually smart for him to stop it himself if his corner wasn't going to, he could have been seriously hurt and he's still young. Ortiz is not a quitter, he's a warrior and should be admired as such.

[ßringer]

OK....now that you have assessed what happened......if it were you with a compound fracture to your right mandible....knowing how painful that is...would you have quit? 5th round OR 9th round?

First of all, how am I supposed to answer this hypothetical question having never experienced a broken jaw? Seriously?

Secondly, it's a loaded (and ******ed/puerile) question : No matter how I answer it (which I won't, because I can't) you'd have a problem with my answer.

The bottom line is that Victor Ortiz quit.

Can he bounce back from it? Maybe. Plenty of other fighters have bounced back from quitting in a bout and it had little to no impact on their reputation as a fighter or the legacy they left behind in the ring.

See : The guy in my second sig banner.

However : Most of those guys weren't repeated quitters like Ortiz is.

Now, having said that, I'm going to do like Victor Ortiz and quit this conversation, because it seems to me that most of you Ortiz fans are incapable of discussing this rationally. Instead, you prefer to label everybody 'keyboard warriors' and demand they answer hypothetical questions that nobody could possibly have the answers to.

[Check]

Regardless when it broke or how much it hurt, he did quit. Doesn't matter how you slice it, he did quit. I don't think he should take major hate from that fight but a quits a quit.

[nico_akia]

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[thuggery]

Victor Ortiz quit plain and simple. The severity of the broken jaw does not change the fact that he quit, and I am a fan of his.