Who's that guy that was beating up Pacquaio in sparring?

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Hey anybody remember who was beating up Pacquiao in sparring that Team Pac d the video removed fom youtube? Lmao
anybody know his name? Some people thought it was victor ortiz but wasnt

You mean benevidez jr

I think this man got the answer.

No idea, but I do remember Shawn Porter on here saying that he routinely had success against Pacquiao in sparring.

I don't put that much stock into winning rounds in sparring, though.

Karim Mayfield.

Lol @ these names. That might actually be the highlight of their career... "I gave Pacquiao problems in sparring."

Don't think they will go any further than that in boxing.

[JaYDeuce11]

Okay thanks guys, yea just saw it was "Karim Mayfield". I remember everyone here going crazy on that footage. He hit Pacquiao with the same overhand right after Pacquiaos double feint just like Marquez in the sparring lol

Yea just wanted to know and see if he had made a name for himself yet, than just a "weekend warrior" type

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Okay thanks guys, yea just saw it was "Karim Mayfield". I remember everyone here going crazy on that footage. He hit Pacquiao with the same overhand right after Pacquiaos double feint just like Marquez in the sparring lol

Yea just wanted to know and see if he had made a name for himself yet, than just a "weekend warrior" type

You never watched him fight? Just watch his fights and you'll be able to tell if you made a name for himself or not.

[mathed]

Pac would eat these guys alive in a real match though....

[fabie]

It's funny how Pacquiao "haters" would use this against him (or any other fighter struggling in a sparring match). Sparring obviously isn't fighting but working out specifics to help him go to upcoming fights.

Not only Pacquiao is holding back (power-wise and technique-wise) but also the intention. It is as much an internal (psychological training) as much as it is external (physical training) but less on the latter.

Some sparring would check on specific offensive schemes (combos) and/or some are on specific defensive schemes (footwork and blocking/shedding...etc.) A lot are into the stylistic concerns and challenges that the potential fight coming up and how to solve it in the ring.

So therefore, it is funny how the "haters" would use this against Pacquiao (or any other fighters such as Mayweather).

[El Malo.]

It's funny how Pacquiao "haters" would use this against him (or any other fighter struggling in a sparring match). Sparring obviously isn't fighting but working out specifics to help him go to upcoming fights.

Not only Pacquiao is holding back (power-wise and technique-wise) but also the intention. It is as much an internal (psychological training) as much as it is external (physical training) but less on the latter.

Some sparring would check on specific offensive schemes (combos) and/or some are on specific defensive schemes (footwork and blocking/shedding...etc.) A lot are into the stylistic concerns and challenges that the potential fight coming up and how to solve it in the ring.

So therefore, it is funny how the "haters" would use this against Pacquiao (or any other fighters such as Mayweather).

I don't know about haters but I was surprised at how Pacquiao still couldn't adjust to that right hand even in sparring leading up to his fight with Marquez. And from what we know is that Pacquiao does go hard on his sparring partners when his getting ready for a fight, that was one of his selling points on 24/7. Oh Pacquiao put another beating on such and such, but when they showed clips of him sparring Gomez and that other dude he was still getting tagged with the same right hand. I was really surprised that Roach wouldn't correct him and Manny just couldn't adjust. Anyways I hear that Morales also gave the business to Mayweather in sparring? can anyone confirm this? Would love it if there was footage of this

[fabie]

I don't know about haters but I was surprised at how Pacquiao still couldn't adjust to that right hand even in sparring leading up to his fight with Marquez. And from what we know is that Pacquiao does go hard on his sparring partners when his getting ready for a fight, that was one of his selling points on 24/7. Oh Pacquiao put another beating on such and such, but when they showed clips of him sparring Gomez and that other dude he was still getting tagged with the same right hand. I was really surprised that Roach wouldn't correct him and Manny just couldn't adjust. Anyways I hear that Morales also gave the business to Mayweather in sparring? can anyone confirm this? Would love it if there was footage of this

To put it succinctly, I wouldn't use the phrase that Manny "still couldn't adjust to that right hand even in sparring..."

Manny was caught by a beautifully well-time Right Hand Counter. Manny took the offensive and Marquez read it beautifully. And so to say that he didn't adjust to it is a bit harsh, I humbly think.

They fought 4 times...they're all "wars" and thus both fighters had a hell of a time because both are really that good and almost even. And so even the last fight against Marquez, not counting that KO in the end, Marquez was seemingly on the way towards getting beat up and defeat.

So not to take away anything from Marquez. That was beautiful and accurate. But we cannot say that Pacquiao couldn't adjust, it was perfectly timed counter by Marquez.

Had Mayweather gone down with a KO with a beautiful RIGHT HAND CROSS by Mosley - would we be able to say that Mayweather weren't able to adjust with Mosley's right despite knowing that Mosley's big weapon is his Right Cross?

No.

COUNTER PUNCHES are reactive...meaning it needed an initiative from the opponent's attack therefore the attacker cannot react to the counter that is accurate and well-synchronized.

[El Malo.]

To put it succinctly, I wouldn't use the phrase that Manny "still couldn't adjust to that right hand even in sparring..."

Manny was caught by a beautifully well-time Right Hand Counter. Manny took the offensive and Marquez read it beautifully. And so to say that he didn't adjust to it is a bit harsh, I humbly think.

They fought 4 times...they're all "wars" and thus both fighters had a hell of a time because both are really that good and almost even. And so even the last fight against Marquez, not counting that KO in the end, Marquez was seemingly on the way towards getting beat up and defeat.

So not to take away anything from Marquez. That was beautiful and accurate. But we cannot say that Pacquiao couldn't adjust, it was perfectly timed counter by Marquez.

Had Mayweather gone down with a KO with a beautiful RIGHT HAND CROSS by Mosley - would we be able to say that Mayweather weren't able to adjust with Mosley's right despite knowing that Mosley's big weapon is his Right Cross?

No.

COUNTER PUNCHES are reactive...meaning it needed an initiative from the opponent's attack therefore the attacker cannot react to the counter that is accurate and well-synchronized.

Sorry I should have explained better. . . I'm not saying it was a lucky punch either, just exactly like you said Marquez read what Manny's next move was going to be and set him up with that brutal counter. What I meant to say was that even lesser boxers where giving Manny trouble with the same right hand. Roach just never thought Manny how to avoid it and Manny has never been able to adjust to it. When I saw that footage I knew Marquez was going to give Pac problems again even at WW.

Also I don't know why you guys keep saying Manny would have stopped Marquez if the fight would have kept going. If you really paid attention to that fight Manny's legs where also giving up on him. At the end of round 5 Marquez was dazed and all but he was still able to fight in the inside with Manny and he did tag him up a few times. Also in between rounds when the referee asked him if he was ok he was still able to answer him in english. On the other hand Ariza was in a hurry rubbing Manny's legs trying to keep him from cramping up even more. In the last minute of round 6 Manny wasn't as active anymore, his legs once again where giving up on him and Marquez was trying to set him up again with counters ( which he did 50 second mark) meaning he was still in his senses. If worst came to worst Marquez is a smart fighter and he would have just back pedal until he regain his legs. In all honesty I believe Manny's legs are beyond gone, if he keeps fighting I only see him lasting up to 8 rounds with his style, after that he well crumble the way he did with Bradley (and still Bradley wasn't able to do ****). The signs are all there, he is in the same position Morales was when they fought and that didn't end well.

[fabie]

Sorry I should have explained better. . . I'm not saying it was a lucky punch either, just exactly like you said Marquez read what Manny's next move was going to be and set him up with that brutal counter. What I meant to say was that even lesser boxers where giving Manny trouble with the same right hand. Roach just never thought Manny how to avoid it and Manny has never been able to adjust to it. When I saw that footage I knew Marquez was going to give Pac problems again even at WW.

Also I don't know why you guys keep saying Manny would have stopped Marquez if the fight would have kept going. If you really paid attention to that fight Manny's legs where also giving up on him. At the end of round 5 Marquez was dazed and all but he was still able to fight in the inside with Manny and he did tag him up a few times. Also in between rounds when the referee asked him if he was ok he was still able to answer him in english. On the other hand Ariza was in a hurry rubbing Manny's legs trying to keep him from cramping up even more. In the last minute of round 6 Manny wasn't as active anymore, his legs once again where giving up on him and Marquez was trying to set him up again with counters ( which he did 50 second mark) meaning he was still in his senses. If worst came to worst Marquez is a smart fighter and he would have just back pedal until he regain his legs. In all honesty I believe Manny's legs are beyond gone, if he keeps fighting I only see him lasting up to 8 rounds with his style, after that he well crumble the way he did with Bradley (and still Bradley wasn't able to do ****). The signs are all there, he is in the same position Morales was when they fought and that didn't end well.

No need to apologize my friend. Everything is relative and your posting is also valid in the way you read it.

I had a different interpretation though. I don't think Manny's legs were giving up on him. I just think that he "gambled" more when Roach told him to turn it on on what I perceive as the fight seemingly on the way towards Marquez getting beat up badly.

It was a bad miscalculation obviously and that's the credit to Marquez and his camp for that preparation.

I don't think it's a lucky punch either but it was a textbook finish that is HOLLYWOOD-esque to end this series of Pac-Marquez fight. It seemed so because I don't expect Marquez to fight Pac again and walking out as a winner.

But I give credit to both fighters for having the balls and putting everything on the line as opposed to Mayweather not wanting to take any kind of risk losing.

I do think that Mayweather have a big edge in fighting Pac but his heart tells him otherwise. Sad they won't fight but any rate back to the thread's topic about Pac's sparring partners, I don't think they stand a chance with Pac in real fights.

[Mike D]

Sparring is like scrimmaging in the NBA. Completely meaningless. Fact: The Miami Heat starters once and a while lose to the backup scrubs in practice.

You know what would happen though if you matched them up in real live games under the lights in a best of 7? The starters would win by an average of 40 and sweep the series.