Does Floyd Mayweather Jr have a top 5 resume (of the last 25 years)

[Skittlez]

I don't rate Vitali's win over Briggs at all. Nor do I rate Wlad's over Mercer, for example. Vitali is tremendously overrated in my opinion. He lost to the 2 best fighters he fought, retired for 3 years and came back when the era was fcking terrible and is now retiring again it seems.

Meh.

Great post. Well I got no argument with you sir.

[Kagami Taiga]

How can you say Briggs was a no hoper?

Prime Briggs fought Lewis.. a god damn DECADE LATER Briggs got another shot at Vitali..

If the Briggs that fought Lewis was a 'no hoper' what the hell do you call Vitali's win over Briggs??

That's demoralizing for Vitali man.

against lewis, briggs was definitely a no hoper. he should have lost to a wayyyyy past prime foreman about a year before

[Goldie]

I think it matters depending on when it happened.

Example:
Vitali losing to Byrd sure as hell count a lot more than if David Haye brutally knock Vitali out this year...



I think Pacquaio's loss to JMM does count against him because Pacquaio is by no means shot.. that being said JMM is an elite fighter.. etc


You are right of course in that Pacquaio Floyd is debatable .


Like I said it's interchangeable in regards to

Whitaker
Hopkins
Lewis
Holyfield
Pacquaio
Floyd


Jones
De La Hoya

I was actually saying that I don't think that it's debatable between Pacquiao and Mayweather. Pacquiao's KO losses(amongst other things) prevent his resume from being as good as Mayweather's in my opinion.

I feel a lot of fans that start comparing Pacquiao only started watching around the time of the Delahoya/Pac or Delahoya/Hatton bouts so they can't be taken too seriously. He had a lot of ups and downs and unfortunately as great of a fighter he is, getting brutally stopped the way he has and his struggles with Marquez does hurt his standing over all.

my two cents lads.

I agree. Obviously Pacquiao already had a impressive career prior to the DLH fight, but I don't remember people referring to him as some all time great before DLH. I certainly don't think that people would have called his resume better than Floyd's prior to DLH.

[ToyBulldog]

I was actually saying that I don't think that it's debatable between Pacquiao and Mayweather. Pacquiao's KO losses(amongst other things) prevent his resume from being as good as Mayweather's in my opinion.I agree. Obviously Pacquiao already had a impressive career prior to the DLH fight, but I don't remember people referring to him as some all time great before DLH. I certainly don't think that people would have called his resume better than Floyd's prior to DLH.

Definitely not. Manny's career is VERY impressive but it does have stains on it in the middle, in the beginning, and now nearing the end.

[ADP02]

Actually the poster that you quoted is one of the more knowledgable and reasonable Floyd fans. From what I've seen the guy is able to support his opinions with reason and thought. You can disagree without trying to be dismissive. I don't really see what was so unreasonable about what he said. When did he say that DLH was "crap" during his last 8 years? All that I saw him say was that the last 8 years of Floyd's career have been better than the last 8 years of DLH's career. You seemed to have built a strawman and used it to try and be dismissive of Floyd fans in general. You have a clear anti-Mayweather agenda.

I know the poster and we have discussed in other threads. When I strongly disagree on a posters comments, its just that, a disagreement. Nothing more .... but Corner is a huge Floyd fan and often tries to make Floyd look better than he deserves to be. Sometimes in a subtle way but I catch on and so do other posters.


Corner's exact words were:

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Oscar's last 8 years of his career (01-08) he beat Gatti, Vargas, and Sturm. In Floyd's last 8 years (05-12) he's beaten Gatti, Judah, Baldomir, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Ortiz, and Cotto. Prior to that Oscar had been on top for 7 years (94-00) and prior to that for Floyd, he'd also been on top for 7 years 98-04.

Floyd's still beating top fighters at 35-36 years old. Oscar wasn't
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Now, I'm presuming that you followed boxing back then.
- Well beating Gatti at WW was not a big accomplishment. Oscar said at the time "If I lose to Gatti at WW, I might as well retire". Gatti did NOT belong at WW.
- Sturm: Many people thought Oscar should have lost that but got the close win.

Did Corner use the word "crap"? No he did not. If you read what he had to say, he might as well have said Oscar was crap since all he did during those 8 years was have 1 good win against Vargas and two questionable ones against Gatti and Sturm.


Floyd fought that version of Oscar at the tale end of that 8 year span. Yet, Corner put that version of Oscar on that list. That is my point!

[ADP02]

Because I would have had to start listing good fighters at 130 that no one heard of but were awesome. Like Manfredy, Chavez, etc. and then start listing no hopers for Lewis like Both or Briggs Also Floyd was a lot more active and dominant at the lower weights IMO which is why I feel his best work was done there.

Lewis has the best W out of the bunch over Vitali IMO but then Floyd dominates in all the other areas- more championships, a longer winning streak, more rounds won, more champions beaten, a better record in title fights.

We are not talking about who won more championships, winning streak, rounds won, better record in title fights.

We are discussing resumes. Lewis has a better resume and if you started a poll, you would see that Lewis is way ahead of Floyd. What killed Floyd is at 140+. He had the opportunity to make his resume look a lot better but he took a different direction. I have no problem with that but please don't come back and say that he has a record that is better than Lewis. It's just wrong.

[ToyBulldog]

We are not talking about who won more championships, winning streak, rounds won, better record in title fights.

We are discussing resumes. Lewis has a better resume and if you started a poll, you would see that Lewis is way ahead of Floyd. What killed Floyd is at 140+. He had the opportunity to make his resume look a lot better but he took a different direction. I have no problem with that but please don't come back and say that he has a record that is better than Lewis. It's just wrong.

Lad the amounts of championships won, divisions fought and were successful in, level of fighters beat is all part of a resume. I think you're in the wrong thread if you're having trouble with the concept of it.

Saying "lewis resume is better don't say Floyds is" means nothing when you're providing nothing to back it up.

[Skittlez]

Lad the amounts of championships won, divisions fought and were successful in, level of fighters beat is all part of a resume. I think you're in the wrong thread if you're having trouble with the concept of it.

Saying "lewis resume is better don't say Floyds is" means nothing when you're providing nothing to back it up.

I never like to compare heavyweights -especially a super heavyweight to a 5'7 former light weight.

The concept just don't work. Heavyweights is a entire different world.. for instance Andrew Golota at his very best is arguably a more dangerous opponent than any version of Miguel Cotto or Ricky Hatton.

BUT Because Golota is stuck in one division.. he don't have the titles or the acclaim.. etc

[RubenSonny]

Care to explain?

..... and please don't bring up names of fighters that Floyd fought who just showed up at that division 0, 1 or 2 fights before fighting Floyd. You go down Lennox's resume and you will see that he fought well established HWs. At that division, most already possess the power to knock you out but Lennox has actually fought guys who had the stuff to do it!!!

This is not even close but I'm willing to get a laugh or two ....... GO!

Well lets see, Mayweathers overall wins are far better, his best win is better, he holds a convincing win over all opponents faced, every opponent worth noting of his came in much better shape and he didn't get knocked the **** out twice by journeymen. Your turn...

[ToyBulldog]

I never like to compare heavyweights -especially a super heavyweight to a 5'7 former light weight.

The concept just don't work. Heavyweights is a entire different world.. for instance Andrew Golota at his very best is arguably a more dangerous opponent than any version of Miguel Cotto or Ricky Hatton.

BUT Because Golota is stuck in one division.. he don't have the titles or the acclaim.. etc

Yes Golota is a very good contender. Probably Judah level. They literally are very similar

But like I say it's close and it's really just splitting hairs here. To have this fellow LOL'ing at my posts though and providing nothing back is a bit puzzling though. He's mentioned Vitali was the best win and that's it. Morales has a better win than Floyd but that doesn't make him better.