Pacquaio an ATG WW.....really?

[CHOWWOKKA]

8 time champion in 8 different world classes. Who cares...hes an ATG...Peroid!

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o lawwd

[Reloaded]

Typical fanboy , in the days of paper titles at catch weights you claim titles as proof of greatness , more like proof of great match making .

His 154 title was a joke , historically its not worth the paper its written on , the 154 champ at the time was Foreman , Roach said he was too big , Margo is the same size , was outed for 2 yrs came back blown up because of the long layoff , had 1 fight with a bum at 154 , and needs Diuretics to make 150 in a 26ft ring with illegal 8oz gloves , GTFOH fanboy .

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Can i start by saying I do not dislike Manny Pacquiao. I dislike ****** fans that will say anything to make their favorite fighter seem superior regardless if its true or not.

Now that that's out of the way...... What defines an all time great? Speed and Power? NO in fact these are 2 qualities that are not needed. A great chin? No, you do not need a good chin if you don't get hit

So what your left with is the fundamentals! Defense, Punching Technique, Footwork, Timing and keen judgement in distance.

Am I saying all ATG's must have these qualities? Sadly...No

Great fighter's so often lack one or more of these that they can be beaten by a good chin or speed. This usually see the Powerful or fast fighter gain alot of hype and recognition(Would Garcia matter if he UD'd Khan?)

But it's the fighters without these qualities that are truly great, that even when they physically decline are better than most(Hopkins)

So what I want to know what separates Pacquaio from Robert Guerrero(No disrepect meant) ? Guerrero started 122 and skipped 140 like Pacquiao skipped 135 and 140 and is now 147. Pacquiao belt at 150 is fake so there closer in weightclasses than it seems. Yet no one cares that Guerrero was a 122 fighter once.

He never needed any catchweights as far as I know. And regarding an earlier thread, Guerrero probably beats ODLH Pac fought and he beats Margo at 150 , He beats Juan Manuel at 143 and Cotto 145. I'd even say he beats them all at 147:Prime ,bar Marquez. Notice who is my favorite fighter in my sig and I'm saying that.

To me pacquaio is like 50 cent. 118 to 126 (First few albums) he was great, really great even with losses, but now he fights CW's(50's pop albums) and its fake. It may be entertaining to some....but it's fake.

I'd like to hear people thoughts on this. Im not trying to prove something. It's just a taught i had. Isn't pacquiao and amazing entertainer rather than an amazing fighter? I just hope no one see this as hating.

I say you are too ****** to think of that. Think of one ATG because he beat good fighters welterweights. Let us say Floyd even though he did nothing in the last 6 years other than weight cheated Marquez, sucker punched Ortiz, fought past prime Cotto and Mosley. Do you think Floyd can compete at middleweight and super middleweight let alone win a belt there? Being an ATG in one division is easier than winning an 8 division titles in 8 weight division classes.

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Can i start by saying I do not dislike Manny Pacquiao. I dislike ****** fans that will say anything to make their favorite fighter seem superior regardless if its true or not.

Now that that's out of the way...... What defines an all time great? Speed and Power? NO in fact these are 2 qualities that are not needed. A great chin? No, you do not need a good chin if you don't get hit

So what your left with is the fundamentals! Defense, Punching Technique, Footwork, Timing and keen judgement in distance.

Am I saying all ATG's must have these qualities? Sadly...No

Great fighter's so often lack one or more of these that they can be beaten by a good chin or speed. This usually see the Powerful or fast fighter gain alot of hype and recognition(Would Garcia matter if he UD'd Khan?)

But it's the fighters without these qualities that are truly great, that even when they physically decline are better than most(Hopkins)

So what I want to know what separates Pacquaio from Robert Guerrero(No disrepect meant) ? Guerrero started 122 and skipped 140 like Pacquiao skipped 135 and 140 and is now 147. Pacquiao belt at 150 is fake so there closer in weightclasses than it seems. Yet no one cares that Guerrero was a 122 fighter once.

He never needed any catchweights as far as I know. And regarding an earlier thread, Guerrero probably beats ODLH Pac fought and he beats Margo at 150 , He beats Juan Manuel at 143 and Cotto 145. I'd even say he beats them all at 147:Prime ,bar Marquez. Notice who is my favorite fighter in my sig and I'm saying that.

To me pacquaio is like 50 cent. 118 to 126 (First few albums) he was great, really great even with losses, but now he fights CW's(50's pop albums) and its fake. It may be entertaining to some....but it's fake.

I'd like to hear people thoughts on this. Im not trying to prove something. It's just a taught i had. Isn't pacquiao and amazing entertainer rather than an amazing fighter? I just hope no one see this as hating.

If Pacquaio is not an ATG at welterweight then what can you say about Floyd? Don't tell me Floyd is ATG at welterweight because Floyd beat the great Baldomir, weight cheated Marquez, almost knocked out by past prime grandpa Mosley and sucker punched Ortiz at welterweight were the reason? Take note Pac had even more fights (7 fights) at welterweight compared to Floyd 6 fights. And how many former 106 fighter can beat Oscar, Cotto, Clottey, Mosley at welterweight? You talk about catchweight like Floyd didn't do the worst. He fought smaller fighter like 140 Hatton and Marquez (catchweight but weight cheated) in his own weight division (welterweight ) is like Floyd fighting Martinez at 160. But I know you won't get it because your pea sized brain can't process the information.

[Jcsuper]

If Pacquaio is not an ATG at welterweight then what can you say about Floyd? Don't tell me because Floyd beat the great Baldomir,.weight cheated Marquez and sucker punched Ortiz at welterweight were the reason? Take note Pac had even more fights (7 fights) at welterweight compared to Floyd 6 fights. And how many former 106 fighter can beat Oscar, Cotto, Clottey, Mosley at welterweight? You talk about catchweight like Floyd didn't do the worst. He fought smaller fighter like 140 Hatton and Marquez (catchweight but weight cheated) in his own weight division (welterweight ) is like Floyd fighting Martinez at 160. But I know you won't get it because your pea sized brain can"t process the information.

TS didn't even talk about Floyd so why you so defensive ??


Btw Pacquiao is an all time great and a legend no doubt about that

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TS didn't even talk about Floyd so why you so defensive ??


Btw Pacquiao is an all time great and a legend no doubt about that

He didn't talk about Floyd but ask him and the floydiots what they think about Floyd if he is an ATG at welterweight. There you get your answer.

[Jcsuper]

He didn't talk about Floyd but ask him and the floydiots what they think about Floyd if he is an ATG at welterweight. There you get the answer.

but this thread ain't even about Floyd so why do you need to bring him in this ?

[Canelo Phresh]

He didn't talk about Floyd but ask him and the floydiots what they think about Floyd if he is an ATG at welterweight. There you get your answer.

Can you take pacs d1ck out of your mouth for 2 minutes and have a rational conversation?

[Canelo Phresh]

Its a solid run for sure from where he started. Clottey may be his best win but thats still very impressive. If you cut Pacs career out of the equation and just leave his welterweight run though, he isnt an atg welterweight.

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Can you take pacs d1ck out of your mouth for 2 minutes and have a rational conversation?

Who give a fruck talking to a floydiot?