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Can i start by saying I do not dislike Manny Pacquiao. I dislike ****** fans that will say anything to make their favorite fighter seem superior regardless if its true or not.
Now that that's out of the way...... What defines an all time great? Speed and Power? NO in fact these are 2 qualities that are not needed. A great chin? No, you do not need a good chin if you don't get hit
So what your left with is the fundamentals! Defense, Punching Technique, Footwork, Timing and keen judgement in distance.
Am I saying all ATG's must have these qualities? Sadly...No
Great fighter's so often lack one or more of these that they can be beaten by a good chin or speed. This usually see the Powerful or fast fighter gain alot of hype and recognition(Would Garcia matter if he UD'd Khan?)
But it's the fighters without these qualities that are truly great, that even when they physically decline are better than most(Hopkins)
So what I want to know what separates Pacquaio from Robert Guerrero(No disrepect meant) ? Guerrero started 122 and skipped 140 like Pacquiao skipped 135 and 140 and is now 147. Pacquiao belt at 150 is fake so there closer in weightclasses than it seems. Yet no one cares that Guerrero was a 122 fighter once.
He never needed any catchweights as far as I know. And regarding an earlier thread, Guerrero probably beats ODLH Pac fought and he beats Margo at 150 , He beats Juan Manuel at 143 and Cotto 145. I'd even say he beats them all at 147:Prime ,bar Marquez. Notice who is my favorite fighter in my sig and I'm saying that.
To me pacquaio is like 50 cent. 118 to 126 (First few albums) he was great, really great even with losses, but now he fights CW's(50's pop albums) and its fake. It may be entertaining to some....but it's fake.
I'd like to hear people thoughts on this. Im not trying to prove something. It's just a taught i had. Isn't pacquiao and amazing entertainer rather than an amazing fighter? I just hope no one see this as hating.
Now that that's out of the way...... What defines an all time great? Speed and Power? NO in fact these are 2 qualities that are not needed. A great chin? No, you do not need a good chin if you don't get hit
So what your left with is the fundamentals! Defense, Punching Technique, Footwork, Timing and keen judgement in distance.
Am I saying all ATG's must have these qualities? Sadly...No
Great fighter's so often lack one or more of these that they can be beaten by a good chin or speed. This usually see the Powerful or fast fighter gain alot of hype and recognition(Would Garcia matter if he UD'd Khan?)
But it's the fighters without these qualities that are truly great, that even when they physically decline are better than most(Hopkins)
So what I want to know what separates Pacquaio from Robert Guerrero(No disrepect meant) ? Guerrero started 122 and skipped 140 like Pacquiao skipped 135 and 140 and is now 147. Pacquiao belt at 150 is fake so there closer in weightclasses than it seems. Yet no one cares that Guerrero was a 122 fighter once.
He never needed any catchweights as far as I know. And regarding an earlier thread, Guerrero probably beats ODLH Pac fought and he beats Margo at 150 , He beats Juan Manuel at 143 and Cotto 145. I'd even say he beats them all at 147:Prime ,bar Marquez. Notice who is my favorite fighter in my sig and I'm saying that.
To me pacquaio is like 50 cent. 118 to 126 (First few albums) he was great, really great even with losses, but now he fights CW's(50's pop albums) and its fake. It may be entertaining to some....but it's fake.
I'd like to hear people thoughts on this. Im not trying to prove something. It's just a taught i had. Isn't pacquiao and amazing entertainer rather than an amazing fighter? I just hope no one see this as hating.
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