Nigel Benn: "I wish I had Calzaghe's power"

[IronDanHamza]

well 5 times he was dropped by one shot and he was hurt numerous other times in his career. just watch the first benn fight. he was staggered numerous times. the watson fight. all over the place. dropped by joe flipping calzaghe twice. to you that equals great chin. i guess we have different standards.

And how many of those times was it one clean hard shot that badly hurt him?

You tell me.

[Mr. Fantastic]

Even when Jones got whooped by Calzaghe he said something like them slaps had more pop to them.

[daggum]

Chris was famously ungainly and out of his element on the front foot. he got countered while rushing in (again square on), his poor stance/balance was exploited and his gloves touched down, but not his pants-seat.

Eubank was never hurt by Calzaghe. look at his reaction in both instances you're referring to.


your strawman arguments -- such as, "hey neither guy was ever ko'd right? that's the only criteria it seems so yeah iron chin for sure." -- are very devilish, too.



trolled by daggum, a man whose wit and manipulative skill i had so admired from afar. never thought i'd become a victim.

well how do you define a great chin? if eubank has a great chin than surely marquez does as well. marquez fought the better competition and although he has been dropped several times he has never been ko'd. same as eubank. pointing out individual punches that didn't ko eubank is futile. i could point to individual punches that didn't ko marquez or even individual punches that didn't ko glass chinned khan. not every punch is going to ko a fighter. a more accurate way of seeing things is to look at the whole picture. eubank was dropped many times against good competition but had a good enough chin to not get ko'd. if he had fought better competition the odds say he would have been dropped and hurt a lot more, but he fought a lot of bums which is probably good for his health and good for his chin rating.

[daggum]

Even when Jones got whooped by Calzaghe he said something like them slaps had more pop to them.

a feather would shake jones up at that point in his career. calzaghe couldn't do anything to jones. feather>calzaghe

[daggum]

And how many of those times was it one clean hard shot that badly hurt him?

You tell me.

your chin is only bad if you get hurt by 1 punch? if you get hurt by 2 you are a badass?

and to answer your question a lot i just watched the first benn-eubank fight and the second watson-eubank fight. he was being staggered left and right by single punches. he would recover and then get staggered again. let's just say he's lucky he fought so many bums instead of good fighters. at the rate he was getting dropped he would have set the record of "most dropped fighter ever"

[S. Saddler 1310]

well how do you define a great chin? if eubank has a great chin than surely marquez does as well. marquez fought the better competition and although he has been dropped several times he has never been ko'd. same as eubank. pointing out individual punches that didn't ko eubank is futile. i could point to individual punches that didn't ko marquez or even individual punches that didn't ko glass chinned khan. not every punch is going to ko a fighter. a more accurate way of seeing things is to look at the whole picture. eubank was dropped many times against good competition but had a good enough chin to not get ko'd. if he had fought better competition the odds say he would have been dropped and hurt a lot more, but he fought a lot of bums which is probably good for his health and good for his chin rating.

sigh. i do think Marquez has a great chin, seeing as you mention it. powers of recovery have to be factored somewhere into assessment of a man's punch-resistance - and, while Marquez has been knocked down heavily and dazed (as opposed to suffering mostly balance knockdowns), including by a lesser opponent than Benn/Calzaghe/Collins/Watson in Katsidis, his recovery powers have shown to be extraordinary.

but that's not really relevant, as my argument for Eubank's chin was never as crass or simple as, 'he never got KO'd so his chin must be iron'. i gave you much more than that, none of which was addressed.


you win, though, man. i'm going to try to find a place to see the JuanMa fight.

[IronDanHamza]

your chin is only bad if you get hurt by 1 punch? if you get hurt by 2 you are a badass?

and to answer your question a lot i just watched the first benn-eubank fight and the second watson-eubank fight. he was being staggered left and right by single punches. he would recover and then get staggered again. let's just say he's lucky he fought so many bums instead of good fighters. at the rate he was getting dropped he would have set the record of "most dropped fighter ever"

No, not really.

But if you have a bad chin then you're going to get hurt or dropped by single shots often.

Did you have an example, or?

[daggum]

sigh. i do think Marquez has a great chin, seeing as you mention it. powers of recovery have to be factored somewhere into assessment of a man's punch-resistance - and, while Marquez has been knocked down heavily and dazed (as opposed to suffering mostly balance knockdowns), including by a lesser opponent than Benn/Calzaghe/Collins/Watson in Katsidis, his recovery powers have shown to be extraordinary.

but that's not really relevant, as my argument for Eubank's chin was never as crass or simple as, 'he never got KO'd so his chin must be iron'. i gave you much more than that, none of which was addressed.


you win, though, man. i'm going to try to find a place to see the JuanMa fight.

no one wins when they are on boxingscene. we all lose.

all of eubanks knockdowns weren't balanced related. you gave me single punches that eubank took. should i cut out single punches that marquez took? or that khan took? that doesn't cover an entire career or tell the whole story of someones chin. throughout eubank's entire career he didn't demonstrate a great chin especially since his competition was pretty sub par. in the most important fights he was dropped and hurt. his chin is between khan's and sven ottke's.

[daggum]

No, not really.

But if you have a bad chin then you're going to get hurt or dropped by single shots often.

Did you have an example, or?

an example of what? eubank getting hurt? just watch those fights. i can't make you watch a fight. well maybe i could but i think that would be illegal.

[IronDanHamza]

an example of what? eubank getting hurt? just watch those fights. i can't make you watch a fight. well maybe i could but i think that would be illegal.

I was at the first Eubank-Benn fight. Not far from where I live.

I guess not then.