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  • charlieg
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    #51
    Originally posted by Dominicano Soy
    Alvarado surprised me, I didn't think it was gonna be that competitive and I really studied his fights too. That said I think Rios is gonna win easier, a mistake Rios did was that he wasn't using the jab and Rios can jab very well on his way in. I'm expecting Alvarado to box a lot more and Rios to do much of the same except jab his way in, oh and unveil the right hand sooner, Rios stops him late.
    It wasn't that competitive. Let me rephrase; it looked a lot more competitive than it was.

    Hear me out.

    Only 1 fighter was defending himself. If you watch it back, try and pick up on what Alvarado does defensively. He doesn't do anything. He doesn't slip, he doesn't roll, he doesn't block, he doesn't adjust his guard, his only defense is his offense. When he's not punching Rios, Rios is punching him - and because he isn't avoiding shots, Rios is landing a lot of clean shots.

    In round 5, Alvrado threw 147 punches. 147 as counted by compubox. That's how hard he had to work to keep Rios from getting to him. No fighter can sustain that. Alvarado was only in this fight because he was fighting Rios off him, and by the mid point of the 6th he was spent. His work rate dropped, the power had visibly left his punches, his guard was dropping, and Rios began teeing off.

    Now, I somewhat agree that the stoppage was premature, but at the same time I saw no route back for Alvarado so the referee saved him from whatever damage he was brave and tough enough to take (and I'd be surprised with any impartial observer disagreeing with that).

    I can't see how Alvarado will be any fitter (he looked in great condition for the 1st fight) or his defense be any better (those kind of instincts take years to hone; Rios was a decorated amateur with 300 odd fights) or his footwork be fluid enough to keep away from Rios (who has chased down far more agile opponents). Either he works on his power so that instead of buzzing Rios, he can hurt him, or he gets knocked out again.

    There were moments where Alvarado got through, but they were masking the true story of the fight, which was the disparity in defensive capability between the two guys. Rios was (as) comfortable (as can be) whilst Alvarado was throwing combinations at him, whereas Alvarado was soaking up damage with his face and ribs.

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    • Mister Wolf
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      #52
      If Alvarado wins part 2 and Top Rank makes a part 3 then both Rios and Alvarado will be shot to **** afterward. Rios should have just took his crack at beating Bradley. Both Pac and Marquez have zero interest in fighting Rios because they gain nothing from beating him.

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      • chiguy91
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        #53
        as good as the first fight was, i'm not too excited to see a rematch of it. i think bam bam beats him again. sooner or later than the first, not sure, but i think rios wins again by stoppage. hopefully top rank puts on a good undercard, seeing as it's in vegas. martinez/magdaleno would be awesome, or a burgos rematch.

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        • Southpawology
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          #54
          Originally posted by Mister Wolf
          If Alvarado wins part 2 and Top Rank makes a part 3 then both Rios and Alvarado will be shot to **** afterward. Rios should have just took his crack at beating Bradley. Both Pac and Marquez have zero interest in fighting Rios because they gain nothing from beating him.
          Huh? Bradley wont even fight anyone unless its pac or mayweather. And if Pac had beaten marquez rios was going to be next for him.

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          • Zyzz
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            #55
            nothing more than a fight being recycled cause top rank has no other opponents....

            how in the hell is rios not fighting bradley??? its ridiculous and bradley must be pissed right now, dude needs a new manager.. dunkin is to embedded with top rank to actually "work" for his fighters

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            • parrish duke
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              #56
              This is what kills boxing - Arum is horrible, the sport is boxing not Top Rank! He has killed too many matchups and careers because of his greed! Manny should have never fought Marquez a fith time! and if you guys do not think he manipulated the cards in the Manny / Bradley fight you guys better wake up - The promoter picks the judges and why is it sooo ironic that Bradley has yet to fight since the so called upset? if anything his stock has plummeted! In house fights are good when its by public demand instead of it being crammed down your throat - He all by himself is killing the sport, at least Golden boy will entertain offers and listen to the fans - bob is too set in his ways and the people under him will suffer because any year he should be walking away and his company will be as relevant as don king's - The first fight was good, but dam he beat alverado's arse - competitve but not controversial - Lets see how alverado recouperates after the beating by beating a couple fighters to build yourself up -

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              • samouraï
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                #57
                Originally posted by charlieg
                It wasn't that competitive. Let me rephrase; it looked a lot more competitive than it was.

                Hear me out.

                Only 1 fighter was defending himself. If you watch it back, try and pick up on what Alvarado does defensively. He doesn't do anything. He doesn't slip, he doesn't roll, he doesn't block, he doesn't adjust his guard, his only defense is his offense. When he's not punching Rios, Rios is punching him - and because he isn't avoiding shots, Rios is landing a lot of clean shots.

                In round 5, Alvrado threw 147 punches. 147 as counted by compubox. That's how hard he had to work to keep Rios from getting to him. No fighter can sustain that. Alvarado was only in this fight because he was fighting Rios off him, and by the mid point of the 6th he was spent. His work rate dropped, the power had visibly left his punches, his guard was dropping, and Rios began teeing off.

                Now, I somewhat agree that the stoppage was premature, but at the same time I saw no route back for Alvarado so the referee saved him from whatever damage he was brave and tough enough to take (and I'd be surprised with any impartial observer disagreeing with that).

                I can't see how Alvarado will be any fitter (he looked in great condition for the 1st fight) or his defense be any better (those kind of instincts take years to hone; Rios was a decorated amateur with 300 odd fights) or his footwork be fluid enough to keep away from Rios (who has chased down far more agile opponents). Either he works on his power so that instead of buzzing Rios, he can hurt him, or he gets knocked out again.

                There were moments where Alvarado got through, but they were masking the true story of the fight, which was the disparity in defensive capability between the two guys. Rios was (as) comfortable (as can be) whilst Alvarado was throwing combinations at him, whereas Alvarado was soaking up damage with his face and ribs.
                Good post.

                Alvarado had his moments, but after watching the fight a second time I'm not sure what he was doing was sustainable. I like your point about the huge punch output. As Rios applied more and more pressure, Alvarado could only deal with that by trying to punch his way out of trouble. That's not good against a guy like Rios who, despite being one hell of a crude and limited fighter, has proven that he can live through Hell and come back to KO you.

                I picture Alvarado trying to box and move more. If he does that, Rios ain't getting knocked out, and I think he'll eventually get to Mike and the same thing will unfold unless he's fortunate to somehow get Rios out of there before he's spent. Mike really has to get the KO to win. Otherwise I think the only other possible outcome is Alvarado himself getting stopped. I don't think Mike's got the boxing ability to box his way to a decision, and if he can't, I think he's vulnerable enough that he's bound to get put on his ass.
                Last edited by samouraï; 01-30-2013, 08:24 PM.

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                • Mister Wolf
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Southpawology
                  Huh? Bradley wont even fight anyone unless its pac or mayweather. And if Pac had beaten marquez rios was going to be next for him.
                  But Pac isnt fighting Rios neither is Marquez. Waging another with Mike Alvarado does nothing for his career. Bradley stated he wanted to fight Rios. Rios and Arum both know he would lose and want no part of fighting Bradley.
                  Last edited by Mister Wolf; 01-30-2013, 08:38 PM.

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                  • Motofan
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                    #59
                    What a lame fight. This proves that the promoters have ZERO faith in Rios being able to beat anyone who is upper level. The first fight wasnt that good (I know, I know) and now we get it again? **** it. Have a third and fourth fight for all I care. This proves that everyone knows Rios isnt a factor.

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                    • Southpawology
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Mister Wolf
                      But Pac isnt fighting Rios neither is Marquez. Waging another with Mike Alvarado does nothing for his career. Bradley stated he wanted to fight Rios. Rios and Arum both know he would lose and want no part of fighting Bradley.
                      Bradley only started chirping rios' name when he found out he was up next for the shot at pac and not him.

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