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Is Andre Ward comparible to Pre-Pacquiao Tim Bradley?
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Bradley isn't an Olympic gold medalist who hasn't lost since he was 12 years old.
Pretty horrible comparison.
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Originally posted by Rome-By-Ko View PostHe was so poor at it(boxing and counter punching)that three respected judges scored the fight for him..Oh and he clearly took the Championship rds in the fight against Pac...
See,what ya have to understand is similar in the two fighters style is scheme their approach in the ring..Their mentality...I've seen Bradley use a lot of different schemes to win fights..Let's be honest as well,the man has clearly beat everyone he's been in the ring with outside of Pac(one of the top fighters in the sport)that say's something about him bro...No matter what ya talking about..Bradley may not be the prettiest fighter technically,but he is skilled and his ring I.Q. is 2end to none.. I believe the way he has clearly beat everyone he's been in with(with exceptions to one)shows this...
Ward is "better" but there's no use in comparing their skill sets, because both, especially Tim, are much more a total sum than their individual parts.
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Originally posted by The Evil 1-2 View PostAre you really one of those people that believe Bradley won the fight against Pacquiao? If so, then you're delusional.
Ward and Bradley have the same mentality? What am I reading here? You then equate mentality to different schemes to win fights. I'm sorry, but when has Bradley ever been known for being multifaceted. He's a pressure fighter who makes his opponent wilt; nothing more.
My description of his style doesn't negatively alter his W-L record. He has racked up wins based on this pressure style not this multifaceted game that people in this forum have been attributing to him.
Bradley has ring I.Q. second to NONE??! This is the most asinine thing I've read from you. Bradley has NEVER BEEN TOUTED AS A BRILLIANT TACTICIAN.
I don't believe I'm delusional for believing Bradley beat Pac..I believe your delusional for thinking that 3 respected (respected is the keyword,these were not flash in the pan judges)judges who all thought the fight was close were wrong...Anyway I don't want to get into that whole thing,that's not what this thread is about...
To say Bradley is just a pressure fighter is ridiculous...I think Bradley will do what's called for in a fight to win it...Nothing more nothing less,and yes I do believe he is multifaceted,just look at his style in the Witter Holt and Alexander fights,completely different then the style in the Peterson Cherry and Pac fights...He took more of a counter punchers approach in those respected fights,whereas in the other fights he used a more aggressive pressure style..To say Bradley is just a pressure fighter is like me saying Mayweather is just a Pressure fighter now...Mayweather is a pressure fighter right now,but I believe we all know it's not that cut and dry...Oh and if he had to Mayweather will adapt and change his style to fit his situation...Not saying Bradley is a Mayweather,but I think you get the overall point I'm trying to make...Last edited by Rome-By-Ko; 01-22-2013, 02:17 AM.
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Originally posted by LA_2_Vegas View PostThere's really should be no other way to look at it concerning Bradley. We can sit here breaking apart their individual qualities but it doesn't tell the whole story about their fights. It doesn't matter what style Tim is classified in, he adapts to you're style. When matching him up against anyone, you never know what approach he will employ. A lot of the time, the style of the fight depends on him, there aren't a lot of fighters like that....and that is one of the primary reasons people don't like to watch him. They know he will find a way to neutralize at least one or more of the primary strengths of the opponent. If that primary strength happens to be all you've got, well then you're screwed against Tim unless you can KO him because he is tough to beat on the cards because he can almost always go back to pressuring/smothering if he wants. He's at worst about 50/50 in almost any fight and always a live dog no matter the odds.
Ward is "better" but there's no use in comparing their skill sets, because both, especially Tim, are much more a total sum than their individual parts.
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Alright, I think we're arguing over different things. The only two statements I am arguing is that Ward and Bradley have obvious similarities in the way they fight, and that Bradley is not a one dimensional pressure fighter. I'm going to argue one point at a time here.
Originally posted by The Evil 1-2 View PostIf he boxes on the outside so well, then why did he look so poor doing it against Pacquiao?Originally posted by The Evil 1-2 View PostI never said that Bradley SOLELY lost to Pacquiao because he tried to box on the outside.
Then there's this..
Originally posted by The Evil 1-2 View PostIf you're suggesting that Bradley lost because he wasn't in his ideal weightclass, then you're being ridiculous. Bradley has no trouble making 147 and has the physical frame to be in the division.
Originally posted by The Evil 1-2 View Postthe manner in which Ward uses his head does not fit the technical definition of headbutting. Headbutting indicates a BLATANT lunge with one's head with the intent of making damaging contact with the opponent's own head. Given this definition, Ward does not headbutt.
Mind you this is a crap video put together by an angry Kessler fan, and I don't attribute his dominate win over Kessler strictly to "fighting dirty", but I do know an intentional headbutt when I see one. Saying Ward doesn't headbutt is admitting you have not been watching his rise to the top, at least not closely. I also strongly disagree with your definition of a headbutt. If your head hits his head, it's a headbutt. If your eye is swelling shut, and your opponent keeps getting inside and digging the top of his head into your orbital bone during the clinch, that is also a headbutt. Crafty vets like Bernard and Ward are physical fighters that are better at this than most.
Originally posted by The Evil 1-2 View PostAs for this shoulder-tackle tactic that you attribute to Bradley..
Originally posted by The Evil 1-2 View Posthow does this, in any way, disprove my overall assessment of him being nothing more than a pressure fighter with good conditioning?You even admit that this tactic CULMINATES in Bradley "SMOTHERING" his opponent. Smothering is fundamental to the pressure style that I attribute to Bradley!
Originally posted by The Evil 1-2 View PostI just re-watched the Campbell fight. Sure, he may have boxed backwards and on the outside in the first round, but it did not ULTIMATELY win him the bout. Even one of the commentators was surprised by this tactic and said, "WE HAVEN'T SEEN HIM BE THE MATADOR VERY OFTEN IN HIS FIGHTS." If he's not the matador very often, THEN HE'S USUALLY THE BULL, which fits this forward-pressure style that I attribute to him. From most of the second round to the third round, he pressured Campbell to get inside and just started throwing punches in bunches, which got him the win.
Originally posted by The Evil 1-2 View PostIf Bradley doesn't have the same amount of skills that Ward has, how does it logically follow that they have THE SAME EXACT STYLE?
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