I'd like to see Cotto fight someone other than Corley but Chop is definitely a tough fighter. If they do fight, hopefully Cotto wins in more impressive fashion than PBF...if that's possible.
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I know what he meant I just said that because I dont get why he thinks of me that way e****ally after Ive already explained my points to him. You must havent heard me enough because if you did then you would know that I am a huge Cotto fan. Im just not on his nuts like others. Just because I put Harris ahead of him that isnt a bad thing. I do think N'Dou almost beat him and might really did. Cotto is still a prospect. He hasnt won any kind of big fight to say that he is something more. If he gets past Corley then he wont be but until then he is. If he lost to Corley then what would you say? You would say that he was a prospect that didnt work out. If Corley beat Floyd then you would say that Corley beat a great fighter. Thats the differenceOriginally posted by oldgringoI think he said it because you come on the Cotto threads talkin all sorts of ying yang about him as if you were one of his rival fighters at 140. Cotto's not a prospect anymore and N'Dou didn't "almost beat him".Comment
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Im not hatin on Gatti. I love to watch him. I was just explaining my point on why I dont have him ranked higher.Originally posted by Pagandamn, chill with the Gatti hate... We all know Arturo ain't the best pfp fighter in the world, but he's still the man
Just for the record, Ivan Robinson was slick, and just cause he had some losses toward the end of his career doesn't mean Gatti should be ashamed of losing to him.Comment
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Originally posted by DLTStop talking ****y because you the only one who thinks that Cotto has a better resume then Harris, thats why they call him a prospect. N'Dou is a journeyman with a bunch of losses and he almost beat Cotto. Sosa and Jukko were lightweights and Cotto is a huge junior welterweight. That wasnt impressive to anyone. Thats why everyone told him to fight a real 140 pounder. Bazan is a hundred years old. All the other guys you named at the bottom were all lightweights. Pinto was a never was who last 3 fights were against guys with more losses then wins and most of his opponents only had lik 5 fights. Baily has been washed up for atleast 2 years and everyone knows it.
Gatti struggled tremendously with a C level Branco. He didnt do ok. Infact I thought he lost. Ward is a journeyman with a hundred losses and the guy had to have a trilogy with him. You already said that he was a **** load bigger then Gamache but obviously you don think that matters and he was old. He got KO by Oscar in 5 rounds. He lost to average fighters. You dont think losing to Ward and Robinson is nothing to be a shame of? Gimme a break. Manfready was kicking his ass.
Stop talking **** like you made good points because you didnt.
Obviously you are a little bit upset at being proven wrong it's ok I understand you are not used to being checked like this so once more for the part of you that is really stubborn and dead ****in wrong (just can't admit it, it's ok just take some deep breathes and listen close.)
True Sosa and Juuko are natural lt. weights, BUT Sosa had some decent pop at the weight and like I said before Sosa has alot of experience out of 45 fights only 4 defeats 3 of which are to Cotto, PBF, Spaddy. So your kinda reaching a bit. Oh and just between you, me and the firewalls Bazan is just now 31 yrs. old dip**** he was 29 yrs. old when Cotto beat him! Not quite 100 is it? If you want it in terms that are easier to understand you know D. Hurtado you guy Harris' only legit win over decent comp.(excluding Urkal as I don't quite know if Urkal is decent or if he just fought the fight of his life against Tszyu)anyway Hurtado is 2yrs the senior(that means older) of Bazan!
Now as for you saying that Bailey isn't a good win careful cause Huratdo's career was made on beating Bailey.
And furthermore lets take a look at Cotto's career so far and compare it to Harris',
Cotto fought J. Juuko ( i really don't give a **** if you accept it or not he's a good fighter and an impressive win on a resume` in only his 10th ****in pro fight! Who did Harris take on in his 10th? A fighter by the name of Eldon Sneed who was 10-9-1!WOW!
Cotto then beats John Brown(very experienced) in fight # 12, Wins the WBC international title in only his 14th pro fight beating a 29 YEAR OLD C. Bazan, Fights 14-18 are only Perez 34-5-2, Martinez 38-8-1, Ceballos 26-4, Maussa 16-0, Then moves on to face Sosa, N`Dou, and Bailey!
Now compare that to Harris who after the big win over Sneed follwed that up with a win over Big Bad Jerry Smith who had compiled an impressive record of 13-34, let me guess he got robbed in alot of those right? Harris' next milestone victory was in his 15th bout against highly underrated Isander Lacen(who?) a tuff and scrappy 12-10-4 fighter! LOL! Then Harris finally stepped it up at #17 and beat Ray Oliviera, then Ivan Robinson, G. Johnson, M. Clark, and finally Hurtado!
Now if you still think that Harris' resume` is far superior to Cotto's then you are either A. V. Harris' mother(quite possible as only a mum could love like that), or B. someone that got his feelings hurt at some point in time by a Puerto Rican, or C. just completely ****in batty!
As far as your Gatti statements it's obvious your a hater, and that's quite alright but you kinda look silly when you try to make a valid point by saying Gatti struggled tremendously w/ Branco, then follow it up by pointing out that he got Ko'ed in 5 by DLH, Gee wonder why,seeing as how Gatti's always had a hard time matching up with slick boxers so it's not hard to see how that was gonna go from the start. But wait it doesn't count cause Gatti was not a true Welterweight(like Sosa and Juuko)! WHOOPS!
And finally I'm just gonna pretend that you didn't really try to disrespect Mickey Ward, cause that guy has more heart in his pinky than 90% of the rest of us walking around this planet. Yea Ward has some losses but one thing is for goddamn sure, he made everybody that defeated him earn every ****in bit of it, and I am sure they all left with a ton of respect for him cause he would fight anybody tooth and nail! So there you go, yes I may get ****y sometimes but I can at least say for certain that my opinion on this matter is not clouded by hatred or huggery cause honestly I'm a Tszyu fan tride and true.Comment
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I didnt read half your **** because you didnt paragraph it off good and it is filled with bull**** fighter names in it but I did graze threw it and will try to respond as best as I can. You cant keep saying that it is true that a guy is bigger but it doesnt matter because it does. If you fight at 140 and probally should be at 147 then why fight guys who are lightweights. These arent legit wins so stop trying to act like they are. You could tell that Sosa had the skills to hang with Cotto but was just way too small. Bazan turned pro when he was real young and has had alot of fights and has been washed up for a long time. You probally give Zoo credit for beating Chaves. I get the impression when I read your post that you cant seperate the name of a fighter from his age, or different weight class, or his prime. Just because a guy has a name doesnt mean it's a good win. For ex.Sosa,Jukko-lightweights/ Baily,Bazan-washed upOriginally posted by jayschreObviously you are a little bit upset at being proven wrong it's ok I understand you are not used to being checked like this so once more for the part of you that is really stubborn and dead ****in wrong (just can't admit it, it's ok just take some deep breathes and listen close.)
True Sosa and Juuko are natural lt. weights, BUT Sosa had some decent pop at the weight and like I said before Sosa has alot of experience out of 45 fights only 4 defeats 3 of which are to Cotto, PBF, Spaddy. So your kinda reaching a bit. Oh and just between you, me and the firewalls Bazan is just now 31 yrs. old dip**** he was 29 yrs. old when Cotto beat him! Not quite 100 is it? If you want it in terms that are easier to understand you know D. Hurtado you guy Harris' only legit win over decent comp.(excluding Urkal as I don't quite know if Urkal is decent or if he just fought the fight of his life against Tszyu)anyway Hurtado is 2yrs the senior(that means older) of Bazan!
Now as for you saying that Bailey isn't a good win careful cause Huratdo's career was made on beating Bailey.
And furthermore lets take a look at Cotto's career so far and compare it to Harris',
Cotto fought J. Juuko ( i really don't give a **** if you accept it or not he's a good fighter and an impressive win on a resume` in only his 10th ****in pro fight! Who did Harris take on in his 10th? A fighter by the name of Eldon Sneed who was 10-9-1!WOW!
Cotto then beats John Brown(very experienced) in fight # 12, Wins the WBC international title in only his 14th pro fight beating a 29 YEAR OLD C. Bazan, Fights 14-18 are only Perez 34-5-2, Martinez 38-8-1, Ceballos 26-4, Maussa 16-0, Then moves on to face Sosa, N`Dou, and Bailey!
Now compare that to Harris who after the big win over Sneed follwed that up with a win over Big Bad Jerry Smith who had compiled an impressive record of 13-34, let me guess he got robbed in alot of those right? Harris' next milestone victory was in his 15th bout against highly underrated Isander Lacen(who?) a tuff and scrappy 12-10-4 fighter! LOL! Then Harris finally stepped it up at #17 and beat Ray Oliviera, then Ivan Robinson, G. Johnson, M. Clark, and finally Hurtado!
Now if you still think that Harris' resume` is far superior to Cotto's then you are either A. V. Harris' mother(quite possible as only a mum could love like that), or B. someone that got his feelings hurt at some point in time by a Puerto Rican, or C. just completely ****in batty!
As far as your Gatti statements it's obvious your a hater, and that's quite alright but you kinda look silly when you try to make a valid point by saying Gatti struggled tremendously w/ Branco, then follow it up by pointing out that he got Ko'ed in 5 by DLH, Gee wonder why,seeing as how Gatti's always had a hard time matching up with slick boxers so it's not hard to see how that was gonna go from the start. But wait it doesn't count cause Gatti was not a true Welterweight(like Sosa and Juuko)! WHOOPS!
And finally I'm just gonna pretend that you didn't really try to disrespect Mickey Ward, cause that guy has more heart in his pinky than 90% of the rest of us walking around this planet. Yea Ward has some losses but one thing is for goddamn sure, he made everybody that defeated him earn every ****in bit of it, and I am sure they all left with a ton of respect for him cause he would fight anybody tooth and nail! So there you go, yes I may get ****y sometimes but I can at least say for certain that my opinion on this matter is not clouded by hatred or huggery cause honestly I'm a Tszyu fan tride and true.
As for Gatti I just brought up the DeLahoya knock out because you named him. I dont discredit him for that although he still shouldnt have been knocked out and you sound dumb trying to play like you caught me with the DeLahoya weight thing when your really catching yourself. My point all along was weight matters. Ward is a journeyman whether you like it or not. Were not talking about how much heart he has were talking about how good these guys are and having a trilogy with Ward is nothing to brag about.
I dont know why you think I love Harris because I dont. I just said that he should be ranked higher and has the better resume and everyone has already agreed to this except for you. Im a Mayweather fan but I like alot of guys including Cotto and Gatti.Last edited by DLT; 01-12-2005, 03:05 AM.Comment
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Dude are you for real? Could you maybe show me exactly where EVERYBODY already agreed with you about this, cause I don't see anybody but you sayin this ****!
BTW, I'm still waiting for you to point out these legit wins that are of higher quality that you keep talkin about, and saying that you didn't even bother to read my whole post cause of improper paragraphing is pretty funny coming from someone who keeps spelling the word FOUGHT as faught.
Like I said show me your proof to support your statements or start at least saying that this is YOUR opinion, as opposed to saying over and over that everybody feels the same as you and that I'm the only one who thinks Cotto's got the better resume`.Comment
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I wasnt making fun of your writing, I was just saying the **** is hard to read if you dont space it out. People on here used to tell me that also.Originally posted by jayschreDude are you for real? Could you maybe show me exactly where EVERYBODY already agreed with you about this, cause I don't see anybody but you sayin this ****!
BTW, I'm still waiting for you to point out these legit wins that are of higher quality that you keep talkin about, and saying that you didn't even bother to read my whole post cause of improper paragraphing is pretty funny coming from someone who keeps spelling the word FOUGHT as faught.
Like I said show me your proof to support your statements or start at least saying that this is YOUR opinion, as opposed to saying over and over that everybody feels the same as you and that I'm the only one who thinks Cotto's got the better resume`.
Even the hard core Cotto fans say that he hasnt really fought a big name yet. No guy he has fought was ranked in the top 10 while M'baye,Urkal, and Hurtado are all in the top 10
You got me mistaken. I like Cotto and Gatti but everyone knows that Gatti has avoided the top comp since he's been at 140 and everyone knows that Cotto still hasnt faced a top 10 guy except maybe for N'Dou. Thats all Im saying. I have also been on here questioning people who think that Harris is great. I have said that he hasnt beaten any elite fighter but I think he has done more then Cotto and Gatti at this weight.Comment
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Cotto has not fought a premier name yet. However, his resume through this point in his career has been better than many others. I hate when people call Pinto a never was. Just because he lost to the better fighter doesn't mean he wasn't/isn't still, 1. skilled, and 2. dangerous. Bojado lost to Leija but he is still a skilled fighter who can have success later on in his career just like Pinto. David Reid was highly skilled and had a somewhat promising future if not for Tito and his eye.Originally posted by DLTI wasnt making fun of your writing, I was just saying the **** is hard to read if you dont space it out. People on here used to tell me that also.
Even the hard core Cotto fans say that he hasnt really fought a big name yet. No guy he has fought was ranked in the top 10 while M'baye,Urkal, and Hurtado are all in the top 10
You got me mistaken. I like Cotto and Gatti but everyone knows that Gatti has avoided the top comp since he's been at 140 and everyone knows that Cotto still hasnt faced a top 10 guy except maybe for N'Dou. Thats all Im saying. I have also been on here questioning people who think that Harris is great. I have said that he hasnt beaten any elite fighter but I think he has done more then Cotto and Gatti at this weight.
N'Dou would give Tszyu, Mayweather, Harris and the rest of the 140 lot hell. He's incredibly durable and fights at a fierce pace. I believe that he is the guy that put Cotto past being a prospect and now made him a contender. In Cotto's last three fights he's fought the young, rangy, puncher/boxer in Pinto...the tough as nails, boxer/brawler in N'Dou...and the big puncher (albeit somewhat washed up big puncher) in Bailey. In my eyes, he's is no longer a prospect. Even if Corley somehow managed to beat him (it'll never happen), I'd still back Cotto 100% to beat any guy at 140. You CANNOT dismiss a young fighter just because they lose 20 some odd fights into their career.Comment
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