Wlad's "weak" chin

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

If Wladimir Klitschkos has a weak chin then what do you call Tysons chin?

Bad example. Every time Tyson was stopped, it was later in the fight after an accumulation of shots. As for Wlad, his chin is decent, but not the greatest. Lennox Lewis' chin was worse than Wlad.

[theghost#1]

Wlad chin is not his problem its like his legs go weak.i

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Tyson was KOd by Buster Douglas, Kevin MCbride, Danny Williams, NO shame to losing to Holyfield, and LL, you cant criticise Wlad chin and turn around and say Tyson had a good chin.

Buster Douglas- After being hit all night.

Kevin MCbride- Tyson was way passed his prime.

Danny Williams- Tyson was way passed his prime.

Tyson had a decent chin. Go watch the Lewis fight and see what kind of beating it took to get him out of there. No way Wlad could make it as far through that kind of punishment.

[DreamFighter]

Tyson was KOd by Buster Douglas, Kevin MCbride, Danny Williams, NO shame to losing to Holyfield, and LL, you cant criticise Wlad chin and turn around and say Tyson had a good chin.

I notice you didn't answer the question about Tysons run as champion when he wanted to box.

His chin and will were terrible when he was no longer committed, everyone knows that, that's why I discluded them, but I am not sure why you've completely disregarded the question that was asked.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Wlad chin is not his problem its like his legs go weak.i

That was his problem against Brewster. Sanders was a very hard puncher and Wlad didn't fight him right back then. I'm sure this version of Wlad would beat him.

[Simurgh]

That was his problem against Brewster. Sanders was a very hard puncher and Wlad didn't fight him right back then. I'm sure this version of Wlad would beat him.

He tried to rematch Sanders, but Sanders chose Vitali (a reasonable decision).
After he was beaten by Vitali he pretty much retired.

Sanders was a very awkward fighter, southpaw, extremely fast handed and hell of a puncher. He almost got Vitali in the first round. If any other fighter was there instead of iron-chinned Vitali he'll be down. Wladimir was bit too aggressive bit too soon (he was too green). I am sure he wouldn't do the same mistake again if they had immediate rematch.

But don't base an opinion just on that fight. What about all other fights where Wlad did receive some big punches (Haye, Thomspon, Wach, Chegaev...)

He took them very good IMO.

[B-Bomber]

I agree, Wlad's chin is not as terrible as some people say.

He has an average chin, not good, but you don't become, or stay, HW champion if your chin is as solid as wet paper.

That said, the comparison with Tyson or Frazier is ridicolous.

Frazier had an entirely different style, if Wlad fought anything like Smokin' Joe he'd be kissing the canvas in most of his fights, in spite of the weak competition. A really bad comparison.

Tyson had a very good chin, very good head movement, speed, blance. Yet he took more risks and more punishment than Wlad. It is rather normal when you have a reach and height disadvantage in most of your fights.

A small historical note, Haye is indeed a good puncher, but he is a carreer CW. That's why I would not automatically assume Wlad would demolish great fighters of the past like Louis or Jersey Joe, who were simply better than Haye, in all regards.

Back to topic, Wlad's best quality, along with his effective use of the jab, is his ring generalship. That, more than his chin or defensive skills, allow him to fight his fight, at least most of the times. Even though I don't rate Lewis as high as most, I think Wlad is around that level, all things considered.

[JAB5239]

He tried to rematch Sanders, but Sanders chose Vitali (a reasonable decision).
After he was beaten by Vitali he pretty much retired.

He did not try to rematch Sanders. If he had wanted hi he could have gotten him, just like Vits against Byrd.

http://www.************.com/2010/06/...ght-a-rematch/

Corrie Sanders doesn’t know why Wladimir Klitschko never sought a rematch

By Jim Dower: Former WBO heavyweight champion Corrie Sanders (42-4, 31 KO’s) wishes that Wladimir Klitschko had sought to avenge his 2nd round knockout loss to him, and Sanders, now 44, doesn’t understand why Klitschko never tried to avenge his knockout loss to him. In an article at Sportbox.ru, Sanders says “Yes, it would be nice to fight him [Wladimir] again. I do not know why he never wanted a rematch.” Sanders latter on went up against Wladimir’s big brother Vitali Klitschko, who after a shaky start in which he was staggered and almost dropped, came back to batter Sanders to a pulp and stop him in the 8th round in April 2004. Sanders points out that Vitali’s size was too much, saying “But he [Vitali] is so big that it was difficult to beat him.”


Sanders thinks that Wladimir is vulnerable still, and doesn’t know if Wladimir would be still standing if he gets hit solid. However, Sanders thinks that Wladimir’s opponents have to be “bold and assertive” for them to beat him. He says that’s how Wladimir can make mistakes. Sanders “In our battle, Wladimir underestimated me, but afterwards he made adjustments.”

Sanders, a 6’4” southpaw, with lightning fast hands and huge power, was a very dangerous heavyweight in the 90s and the early 2000s. He never was able to make it past a certain level until late in his career when he shocked Wladimir by stopping him in the 2nd round. At the time, Sanders was 37-years-old, and Wladimir may have been thinking he was an older fighter and thus no longer dangerous.

You could see in the way that Wladimir fought him by going out and trying to slug with Sanders, that he didn’t really understand how much of a threat Sanders was until it was far too late. Wladimir ended up getting nailed with a number of big left hands from Sanders and knocked down twice near the end of the 1st round. In the 2nd, Sanders put Klitschko away after knocking him down for a third time.

It seemed like Sanders really had Klitschko’s number and even if there had been a rematch, many people believe Sanders would have easily knocked Wladimir out again. But to his credit, Wladimir soon after got a new trainer, Emanuel Steward, and after one more loss to Lamon Brewster, Wladimir has been unbeaten for the past six years, winning his last 12 fights. For his part, Sanders was beaten in his next fight after the Wladimir win, losing to Vitali Klitschko by knockout.

Sanders then beat three 2nd tier fighters before getting stopped in the 1st round two years ago by fellow South African Osborne Machimana. At 44, it’s hard to imagine Sanders being able to get into good enough shape to fight Wladimir.

[Simurgh]

Wladimir lost to Brewster under very strange conditions at about same time when Vitali destroyed Sanders. His career was in question. He wasn't even sure would he box anymore.

After he rebuilt himself fight with Sanders was pretty much pointless as sanders was pretty much retired.

[Simurgh]

“In our battle, Wladimir underestimated me, but afterwards he made adjustments.”

Nicely summarized by Sanders.