I feel bad for Marquez

[happyman]

if he would've gotten the nod in some of those fights he would be a

3 time lineal champ in
5 weight divisions with only 1 real lose where he wasn't at his best. with around 14 titles

but that's not how things work. I don't feel too bad. The guy has a big ass house Is worth millions, is considered a HOF and ATG.

oh and he drives this

and he's considered fighter of the year for 2012 according to boxing fans. regardless of who boxing "writers" picked

[revs1227]

i had john wining just bc of low blows
and lets face it he was way ouuta shape and weightclass against floyd

he is a tru ATG

[unotme]

Not counting his first DQ loss, I scored some of Marquez's fights I haven't seen..

114-112 Marquez > Norwood
113-113 Marquez = John(Would of won if he hadn't of low blowed)

I scored the John fight without audio.

And we all know it's very arguable to have Marquez winning the first three.

Imagine if Marquez's only official loss(not counting the DQ) was to Floyd, he could of been P4P #2, yes or no?

I agree 100%, and even mayweather was afraid of losing to Marquez so he cheated in weight like Paquiao and even payed a fine.

[edgarg]

you mean if the corrupt ref hadn't taken points for borderline shots? he was never going to win no matter what and john knew it. that's why john basically did nothing the entire fight besides not get knocked out. the old sven ottke game plan. it worked! world champ for the next ten years!

Daggum.. Holdum...You're a bit off centre. I've read a few boxing writers at least two of whom said they were at the fight. Each one said that the yarn about Marquez being robbed was untrue that John won easily/ John won well.

Greg Leon has also written about this fight. I beleve he was there to cover it too. He says not to believe the stories going around that Marquez got a bad decision. He says that John won easily and was in charge the whole fight. I just read Leon on another site a few weeks ago and he is definite.

My own feeling is that it wasnt that John was so good but that Marquez was just a bit hesitant, and lost further when, after being tagged well by a John combination tried to retaliate opening hiself u for a bit more. Marquez was in a bit of a mess at that time. He and his manager Beristain turned down $750,000 fir a return against MannyP even though it was more than all his purses out together until then. A very bad decision, He demanded $1.5 mill and wouldn't compromise a cent. He was haggling like a demon. So he lost the fight and was at a very loose end for almost another year with no fight able to be lined up.

Then he heard John was looking for a good opponent. After a lot of hard thought, he took it, even though all he could get was $32,500. There was a lot of stuff about it on Boxingscene at the time about his "comedown" and I remember it well. After the John fight he looked to be on the way down but turned it around with a couple of good wins in the same year. an't remember who they were but solid fighters. I've seen the fight before on Youtube, and just to remind myself I'm now watching it again, starting now. John is coming to the ring and that duffer Buffer is bellowing his monotonous rumble, although he isn't visible. They probably just rented the recording, or bootlegged it. No loss as far as I'm concerned, I far prefer Jimmy Lennon, and for commentary the prince of action callers Col. Bob Sheridan.

[hectari]

LMAO you gotta be a diehard fan to feel bad for Marquez, the boxers I feel bad for are those who never even had a shot and were mishandled throughout history.

Close fights not going his way, and that Chris John fight that's what he gets for going there on NAcho's command and fighting in someones backyard for peanuts. Plus that Chris John fight was no robbery, I remember Nacho and JMM saying it was after they came back from losing, nobody saw the fight but took his word for it, I saw it only recently and I had John winning it close, no robbery at all but it was boring.

Can't feel sorry for that. Plus the guy is pretty rich, Marquez has millions and is an accountant.

[edgarg]

I agree 100%, and even mayweather was afraid of losing to Marquez so he cheated in weight like Paquiao and even payed a fine.

When did MannyP "cheat in weight" You guys are really blooody awfully badly informed. More misinformed I'd say. The only weight complaints about Pacquiao I've heard from the fringe looneys was about making Marquez come up to 144....or was it 142?? No matter anyhow, He wasn't made come up to anything. Marquez could have weighed anything he liked, up to 144. he could have chosen to weigh 140 or 135, or whatever weight he felt was best for him. Seeing that he was fighting at 135 and 140, I can't see a limit of 144 being any disadvantage. The limit was being obeyed by MannyP.

Do your homework.

[elgranluchadore]

Daggum.. Holdum...You're a bit off centre. I've read a few boxing writers at least two of whom said they were at the fight. Each one said that the yarn about Marquez being robbed was untrue that John won easily/ John won well.

Greg Leon has also written about this fight. I beleve he was there to cover it too. He says not to believe the stories going around that Marquez got a bad decision. He says that John won easily and was in charge the whole fight. I just read Leon on another site a few weeks ago and he is definite.

My own feeling is that it wasnt that John was so good but that Marquez was just a bit hesitant, and lost further when, after being tagged well by a John combination tried to retaliate opening hiself u for a bit more. Marquez was in a bit of a mess at that time. He and his manager Beristain turned down $750,000 fir a return against MannyP even though it was more than all his purses out together until then. A very bad decision, He demanded $1.5 mill and wouldn't compromise a cent. He was haggling like a demon. So he lost the fight and was at a very loose end for almost another year with no fight able to be lined up.

Then he heard John was looking for a good opponent. After a lot of hard thought, he took it, even though all he could get was $32,500. There was a lot of stuff about it on Boxingscene at the time about his "comedown" and I remember it well. After the John fight he looked to be on the way down but turned it around with a couple of good wins in the same year. an't remember who they were but solid fighters. I've seen the fight before on Youtube, and just to remind myself I'm now watching it again, starting now. John is coming to the ring and that duffer Buffer is bellowing his monotonous rumble, although he isn't visible. They probably just rented the recording, or bootlegged it. No loss as far as I'm concerned, I far prefer Jimmy Lennon, and for commentary the prince of action callers Col. Bob Sheridan.

lol they shoulda have a guy that looked just like him in the middle of the ring, the people on the cheap seats wouldnt have noticed

[edgarg]

Not counting his first DQ loss, I scored some of Marquez's fights I haven't seen..

114-112 Marquez > Norwood
113-113 Marquez = John(Would of won if he hadn't of low blowed)

I scored the John fight without audio.

And we all know it's very arguable to have Marquez winning the first three.

Imagine if Marquez's only official loss(not counting the DQ) was to Floyd, he could of been P4P #2, yes or no?

Freddie Norwood was always too good for marquez, he was also unbeaten in 35 fights, when he fought Marquez. some against very good opposition. He had a good half dozen title defences as well. Didn't they call him Little Hagler or something like that??

I still look at the fight between Norwood and Derrick Gainer, the most foul filled fight I've ever seen, in which the ref lost control pretty early. The ending was a real travesty, the fight should have been called off, and both fighters DQ'd. They were'n gtrying to box, they were trying to maim each other by foul means....You should look at that fight again. The ref took a real dislike to Norwood and was actually holding his arms around him from the back whist Gainer was slugging him in the groin. Then, when he should have DQ Gainer for it, he counted Norwood out on the canvas, up to 25....The Three Stooges would have been proud.

[G22]

You can say Marquez has been unlucky on the cards but on the flipside you can also say he has been lucky in a couple fights.

The 1st Pac fight one judge admitted he made a mistake and the fight should have gone to Pac. Also against Barrera Marquez got gifted a round he was knocked down in and won the fight despite Barrera landing more punches overall and scoring the only knock down.

Swings and round abouts.

[Rapid Counter]

When did MannyP "cheat in weight" You guys are really blooody awfully badly informed. More misinformed I'd say. The only weight complaints about Pacquiao I've heard from the fringe looneys was about making Marquez come up to 144....or was it 142?? No matter anyhow, He wasn't made come up to anything. Marquez could have weighed anything he liked, up to 144. he could have chosen to weigh 140 or 135, or whatever weight he felt was best for him. Seeing that he was fighting at 135 and 140, I can't see a limit of 144 being any disadvantage. The limit was being obeyed by MannyP.

Do your homework.

Manny has missed weight in a couple of fights. Before you told that guy that he was badly informed or to do his homework you should have done your own.