So, was Cotto washed up all year or only after Trout beat him?

[The Big Dunn]

Ohh man, you may get your wish. Rumors of the duck are already in!!

no, I'm just pointing it out. Your use of the word duck is unbecoming someone who loves and knows the sport.

You keep acting like pro boxing is more about competition and not about profit. Trout has a good chance of messing up all the money GBP/floyd has invested in a floyd/canelo fight.

Marvin Hagler is my guy. Loved how Marvin took on everyone and earned his shot and title the hard way. But guys like Marvin always have to get there through tough fights because thats what people want to see when they watched him.

Floyd, ODH, SRL, TYson and Manny are playing in a completely different game. People pay thousands of dollars to see them essentially perform. People weren't paying to see Mike fight, they were paying to see him KO the next guy. Canelo is potentially playing in that league.

Doesn't mean I don't want to see him fight better opponents. But I can understand why GBP issn't gonna risk him losing before he gets a floyd shot.

[Bushbaby]

no, I'm just pointing it out. Your use of the word duck is unbecoming someone who loves and knows the sport.

You keep acting like pro boxing is more about competition and not about profit. Trout has a good chance of messing up all the money GBP/floyd has invested in a floyd/canelo fight.

Marvin Hagler is my guy. Loved how Marvin took on everyone and earned his shot and title the hard way. But guys like Marvin always have to get there through tough fights because thats what people want to see when they watched him.

Floyd, ODH, SRL, TYson and Manny are playing in a completely different game. People pay thousands of dollars to see them essentially perform. People weren't paying to see Mike fight, they were paying to see him KO the next guy. Canelo is potentially playing in that league.

Doesn't mean I don't want to see him fight better opponents. But I can understand why GBP issn't gonna risk him losing before he gets a floyd shot.

I absolutely do not agree with the bold. While SRL & Oscar were stars, there aren't many fighters that you can say either avoided.

I understand the financial aspect. I really do. What I do not understand is how a fan (like you), knowing that your guy is a most reward, least risk type fighter, turn around & claim he's the generations best, or an atg, or pfp, when you've already all but blatantly said it's more about profit with him, than taking on the best.

[The Big Dunn]

I absolutely do not agree with the bold. While SRL & Oscar were stars, there aren't many fighters that you can say either avoided.

I understand the financial aspect. I really do. What I do not understand is how a fan (like you), knowing that your guy is a most reward, least risk type fighter, turn around & claim he's the generations best, or an atg, or pfp, when you've already all but blatantly said it's more about profit with him, than taking on the best.

Not saying they avoided anyone, just saying they fought them whenever Bob's matchmakers said it was the right time.

If you are only going to evaluate floyd's career post 2007, then there is no reason to debate. As to why IMO he is this generations best, long before he was "money" he fought top opposition and the other greats of his era all found excuses not to fight him when they were prime. Floyd wasn't a star then, he was just a damn great fighter who didn't have a huge fanbase or following. He was the high risk no reward guy. He just made the transition to star attraction that the Haglers, winky wrights, and paul williams couldn't make.

His actions post ODH don't change what he did pre ODH. SO at the end of his career he now puts money first. Is he any different than any other top star?

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Not saying they avoided anyone, just saying they fought them whenever Bob's matchmakers said it was the right time.

If you are only going to evaluate floyd's career post 2007, then there is no reason to debate. As to why IMO he is this generations best, long before he was "money" he fought top opposition and the other greats of his era all found excuses not to fight him when they were prime. Floyd wasn't a star then, he was just a damn great fighter who didn't have a huge fanbase or following. He was the high risk no reward guy. He just made the transition to star attraction that the Haglers, winky wrights, and paul williams couldn't make.

His actions post ODH don't change what he did pre ODH. SO at the end of his career he now puts money first. Is he any different than any other top star?

This doesn't get mentioned enough on this site. People weren't lining up to face a young, dangerous, powerful Floyd Mayweather.

[Bushbaby]

Not saying they avoided anyone, just saying they fought them whenever Bob's matchmakers said it was the right time.

If you are only going to evaluate floyd's career post 2007, then there is no reason to debate. As to why IMO he is this generations best, long before he was "money" he fought top opposition and the other greats of his era all found excuses not to fight him when they were prime. Floyd wasn't a star then, he was just a damn great fighter who didn't have a huge fanbase or following. He was the high risk no reward guy. He just made the transition to star attraction that the Haglers, winky wrights, and paul williams couldn't make.

His actions post ODH don't change what he did pre ODH. SO at the end of his career he now puts money first. Is he any different than any other top star?

I think you're crazy if you think what he did before 2007 was enough to make him the best. I liked that Floyd myself, a lot. But that was not enough to milk it all the way to 2013, I'm sorry it just isn't.

[The Big Dunn]

I think you're crazy if you think what he did before 2007 was enough to make him the best. I liked that Floyd myself, a lot. But that was not enough to milk it all the way to 2013, I'm sorry it just isn't.

Well tell that to the guys who wouldn't fight him. Is floyd too focused on money right now, absolutely. Does it change the fact that there are HOF level prime fighters who used excuses ranging from toothaches and needle fear to not fight him? No.

You've done a good job pretending to be a martyr for fighters that aren't mainstream stars. But the real people on NSB know you complaining about the rich isn't the same as helping the poor.

Trout is a good dude and a good boxer. I hope he gets a chance to make some real money. My only point is right now he is Zahir Raheem-he had a huge win and earned a shot. But if he gets the shot at this time-win or lose-he makes the big guy look bad and that ****s up the money.

[Bushbaby]

Well tell that to the guys who wouldn't fight him. Is floyd too focused on money right now, absolutely. Does it change the fact that there are HOF level prime fighters who used excuses ranging from toothaches and needle fear to not fight him? No.

You've done a good job pretending to be a martyr for fighters that aren't mainstream stars. But the real people on NSB know you complaining about the rich isn't the same as helping the poor.

Trout is a good dude and a good boxer. I hope he gets a chance to make some real money. My only point is right now he is Zahir Raheem-he had a huge win and earned a shot. But if he gets the shot at this time-win or lose-he makes the big guy look bad and that ****s up the money.

There ya go, Floyd's only focus is money. Trout's earned his shot. If Trout does fight ginger, he messes up the big money. All this you've just admitted. You're 1 of those (real people). And you've just admitted my points. As I've already admitted yours. The difference is because of these points I don't hold Floyd in as high regard as you do & who can blame me.

Edit: Dunn I'm running to my uncle right now. However I'll be back to continue this epic discussion for sure!!

[The Big Dunn]

There ya go, Floyd's only focus is money. Trout's earned his shot. If Trout does fight ginger, he messes up the big money. All this you've just admitted. You're 1 of those (real people). And you've just admitted my points. As I've already admitted yours. The difference is because of these points I don't hold Floyd in as high regard as you do & who can blame me.

Edit: Dunn I'm running to my uncle right now. However I'll be back to continue this epic discussion for sure!!

But floyd didn't start from the top, he worked to get there. Honestly, if you don't hold him in high regard cool. But the HOF fighters who were BIG earners in an around his weight class all did. TR's HOF matchmakers did.

I get it, people are tired of floyd and his act and want to see him pacqiou'd. Cool. But it doesn't change his career. He is using his spot now the same way SRL did. Anyone saying DUran was a cherrypick becuase he came up from LW to ww? ANyone questioning how he did Hagler.

Lets get away from popularity contests and talk boxing.

[Bushbaby]

But floyd didn't start from the top, he worked to get there. Honestly, if you don't hold him in high regard cool. But the HOF fighters who were BIG earners in an around his weight class all did. TR's HOF matchmakers did.

I get it, people are tired of floyd and his act and want to see him pacqiou'd. Cool. But it doesn't change his career. He is using his spot now the same way SRL did. Anyone saying DUran was a cherrypick becuase he came up from LW to ww? ANyone questioning how he did Hagler.

Lets get away from popularity contests and talk boxing.

I always talk boxing. You however always feel the need to repeat the financial aspect of the sport constantly.

But like I told you in the other tread, SRL & Duran fought at 147 & from 147 Duran went up to 160 & beyond. It is in no way,shape, form or fashion the same as Floyd-Pacman/Marquez because Floyd & Pacman had a 140lb division between 135 & 147. And Marquez is assuredly not going any higher than 147. Duran stopped at 147, did battle & headed north. Not the same at all.

[The Big Dunn]

I always talk boxing. You however always feel the need to repeat the financial aspect of the sport constantly.

But like I told you in the other tread, SRL & Duran fought at 147 & from 147 Duran went up to 160 & beyond. It is in no way,shape, form or fashion the same as Floyd-Pacman/Marquez because Floyd & Pacman had a 140lb division between 135 & 147. And Marquez is assuredly not going any higher than 147. Duran stopped at 147, did battle & headed north. Not the same at all.

i meant in general, not specific to you. my bad.

so you are evaluating the move based on who they fought afterwards. come on bush thats ****ing ridiculous.

Now the point about the division between them is valid, but its still the exact same thing. SRL brought duran up from LW while the ww champ and fought him. Floyd brought JMM up from LW while he was the ww champ.