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  • #21
    Originally posted by Nautilus
    I think it is not fair. So Wlad is to blame for his height? That's new to me.

    As for Byrd and Jirov (who is my most favorite fighter), I think they both are better off at light heavies or cruiserweight. If guys like that moved to cruisers, the cruiser division will be awesome.
    How are you getting these things out of what I'm saying? Wlad is what he is, he could be 10ft tall and have heart or 1ft tall and have heart. Size has nothing to do with Wlad's heart. The fact is that Wlad is a 6'7 240lbs man who beat up a small 213lbs man. Byrd should be commended for taking this fight, but your right he should fight at lighter weights.

    I would like you to give me an example of where Wlad displayed heart, and don't even waste bandwidth by saying the Sanders fight. He got knocked down and got back up, thats what a fighter is supposed to do.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by ChrististheAnswer
      How are you getting these things out of what I'm saying? Wlad is what he is, he could be 10ft tall and have heart or 1ft tall and have heart. Size has nothing to do with Wlad's heart. The fact is that Wlad is a 6'7 240lbs man who beat up a small 213lbs man. Byrd should be commended for taking this fight, but your right he should fight at lighter weights.

      I would like you to give me an example of where Wlad displayed heart, and don't even waste bandwidth by saying the Sanders fight. He got knocked down and got back up, thats what a fighter is supposed to do.

      When he became the Olympic champion, obviously. At the time Wlad was a very tall but very skinny guy with no muscles (compared to me ) who barely made it over 91k to be a super heavy.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by ChrististheAnswer
        How are you getting these things out of what I'm saying? .
        I am sorry if you did not mean that
        Last edited by Nautilus; 10-02-2004, 01:07 AM.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by Nautilus
          When he became the Olympic champion, obviously. At the time Wlad was a very tall but very skinny guy with no muscles (compared to me ) who barely made it over 91k to be a super heavy.
          What heart did he display to become Olympic champion, I'm missing the obvious part of that statement.

          I'm starting to question of whether or not you know the boxing definition of the word heart.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by ChrististheAnswer
            What heart did he display to become Olympic champion, I'm missing the obvious part of that statement.

            I'm starting to question of whether or not you know the boxing definition of the word heart.

            Imagine that you have a LONG series of elimination fights you have to go through to win the Olympics. It must require some heart and guts to do that.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Nautilus
              Imagine that you have a LONG series of elimination fights you have to go through to win the Olympics. It must require some heart and guts to do that.
              You cannot seriously be suggesting olympic boxing is a showcase of heart. Olympic boxing is not even, IMO real boxing. Wlad won becasue he his huge with good offensive skills.

              Have you seen Holyfield-Bowe 1? What Holyfield did,now thats heart. Have you seen Gatti-Ward 3, Gatti broke his hand yet gutted it out like the warrior he is.

              You still haven't specifically cited a case where Wlad showed heart. You even generalized about Wlad's olympic victory, you assumed it took heart and guts.

              Don't worry if you have trouble finding examples of Wlad's heart on display, becasue there aren't any as far as I know.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by ChrististheAnswer
                You cannot seriously be suggesting olympic boxing is a showcase of heart. Olympic boxing is not even, IMO real boxing. .
                WTF


                Originally posted by ChrististheAnswer
                You still haven't specifically cited a case where Wlad showed heart. You even generalized about Wlad's olympic victory, you assumed it took heart and guts.
                .

                I have seen his Olympic fights. I know what it took him to win. This is YOU who ASSUMES that he has no heart.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Nautilus
                  WTF





                  I have seen his Olympic fights. I know what it took him to win. This is YOU who ASSUMES that he has no heart.

                  Get back to me when you watch some fights where heart is on display. Pity-pat olympic boxing does not count.

                  Go ahead and find a real example of Wlad's heart. If his olympic boxing performance is your example, than I don't need to say anymore. That speaks for itself in terms of Wlad's heart.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by ChrististheAnswer
                    Get back to me when you watch some fights where heart is on display. Pity-pat olympic boxing does not count.
                    Tell this to Ali, Roy, Merser, and Foreman. They'd kick your butt right away.

                    Originally posted by ChrististheAnswer
                    If his olympic boxing performance is your example, than I don't need to say anymore. That speaks for itself in terms of Wlad's heart.
                    In his losses he showed heart. He did not sit there like a pack of sand a-la Tyson, he tried to get up no matter what. This is heart. He may lack stamina, which given his size is hard to have, but you don't take his heart away. You have no heart for doing so. You have no heart.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Nautilus
                      Tell this to Ali, Roy, Merser, and Foreman. They'd kick your butt right away.



                      In his losses he showed heart. He did not sit there like a pack of sand a-la Tyson, he tried to get up no matter what. This is heart. He may lack stamina, which given his size is hard to have, but you don't take his heart away. You have no heart for doing so. You have no heart.
                      I have no heart,WOW, what does that even mean. I can see your getting desperate in your arguments. By the way getting up is what a fighter should do. And why are you bringing Tyson into the argument, he is old and shot, who busted up his knee, he has an exucuse. Wlad has had no excuses for his losses.

                      Well its obvious that we'll have to agree to disagree.

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