NYTimes openly suspicious of PED use by JMM

[Shabba Rank$]

That makes no sense, you would hire someone that hasnt been caught.

Or you can be hiding right out in the public, where everyone can see you.

Just a thought.

[radioraheem]

Tennis is actually the most well tested sport, with weekly blood testing. You actually have to notify ATP where you will be every single day of the year, so they can test you at any time.

Boxing is the quite possibly the least tested professional sport. Of course people are juicing in it, hell Lamount Peterson just got caught red handed by cutting edge tests that are only used by VADA. And he was just using plain old testosterone, so the current testing can't even catch that.

Theres a reason the biggest newspaper on the planet, the New York Times is openly implying JMM used PEDS. Because any sports fan, knows athletes age, hell any adult should know this. People age. Its human biology.

Yes, you can win fights as you get older, but you can't get faster and stronger, and you can't get the body JMM did at age 40 without PEDs. And when you get this body at the exact same time as hiring a famous PEDS dealer, well it's pretty obvious isn't it?

Or are the writers and editors at the NYtimes pacfarts too? Because thats the extend of the counter arguments I've heard.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what the NY Times writes, doesn't matter what Yahoo writes, etc. It's crying over already spilled milk. Damage has already been done. And Marquez's physique this time around is not significantly different from the third fight. Where were these writers back then? Marquez looked beastly for the third fight too.

But again, what's done is done. Maybe next time, for Pacquaio's next fight, these writers and all the complainers will demand BEFOREHAND that Pacquaio and his opponent undergo random drug testing for his next fight.

[!! Shawn]

Or you can be hiding right out in the public, where everyone can see you.

Just a thought.

Yes because it is such a great hiding job that everyone and their mom is talking about it...

[S H A R K B O Y]

It would be stupid to use PEDs while working OPENLY with someone whos had ties to a PED scandal! Youd think youd be being watched and the possibilities of a test would be likely! I dont think anyone on JMMs team is that brave or that stupid!

Let the commission do it's job!

[radioraheem]

Let the commission do it's job!

LOL. Classic line.

[joesaiditstrue]

Marquez's shoulders are not physically the same size as that football players, I know thats what you are saying and its simply not true. Marquez is like 5'6'' go find a picture of marquez standing next to anyone over 5-10 and you will see how small he is. Hes more cut which makes him look impressive but his shoulders are not as big as someone who is almost 250 pounds.

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Look at Rafael's shoulders from a few years ago and he fights at 126. They both have had muscular builds, more so than most mexican fighters.

For the record I think both JMM and pac have and are using peds but this thing about his shoulders being enormous, well go look at his little brothers, theyve always had built shoulders and no they arent 250 pound NFL player big though either.

are you f***ing ******ed dude? check_hooks is the most notorious pacfart troll on these boards, the fact that you're arguing with him shows how ****ing stupid you are. get a brain dude. people need to start exercising their braincells, what few of them they have left. 90% of the members on this message board are ****ing braindead

[analyst]

Chavez never tested positive for steroids, it was a diuretic and then grass.

And Tony?????????

[joesaiditstrue]

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what the NY Times writes, doesn't matter what Yahoo writes, etc. It's crying over already spilled milk. Damage has already been done. And Marquez's physique this time around is not significantly different from the third fight. Where were these writers back then? Marquez looked beastly for the third fight too.

But again, what's done is done. Maybe next time, for Pacquaio's next fight, these writers and all the complainers will demand BEFOREHAND that Pacquaio and his opponent undergo random drug testing for his next fight.

random testing is worthless in boxing unless it's year-round. do some research. this goes for any sport really. PED's like anabolic steroids and HGH (the most popular the last 20 years) are used in cycles. you don't take them before a fight like a ****ing magic muscle pill. you use the drugs during your physical training and cycle off. by the time fight night happens, they're out of your system and you're still reaping the benefits (which are longer workouts, shorter recovery times, more lean muscle mass produced)

[BrokenHat]

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what the NY Times writes, doesn't matter what Yahoo writes, etc. It's crying over already spilled milk. Damage has already been done. And Marquez's physique this time around is not significantly different from the third fight. Where were these writers back then? Marquez looked beastly for the third fight too.

But again, what's done is done. Maybe next time, for Pacquaio's next fight, these writers and all the complainers will demand BEFOREHAND that Pacquaio and his opponent undergo random drug testing for his next fight.

Well you're right, what they write isn't going to change the outcome of the fight at all, but it will and it has tainted the victory.

And, my agenda is just a discussion of what I think is an obvious case of Ped use, on JMMs behalf. The NYtimes is considered THE newspaper, its surely America's most storied newspaper, they wouldn't accuse or imply JMM of PED use unless it passed their editorial scrutiny.

I just think PED use in boxing is sad, and depressing. It makes for more exciting fights, that much is true, but this is boxing. And it just seems like boxing fans don't care if PEDs are in the sport, ala Lamount Peterson.

But its true, this is just a discussion, because unless you're the rare fighter with enough clout to force gb or tr to employ vada, there's really no drugs testing at all in boxing.

But Vada has shown that we can introduce drugs testing in boxing, and potentially catch cheats and clean up the sport, but GB and TR don't want drug testing. Its only the odd fighter like Floyd or Amir Khan who insist on drug testing, and have the clout to make it happen. Robert Guerreros request for drug testing was denied by GB, not that it mattered.

[joesaiditstrue]

Well you're right, what they write isn't going to change the outcome of the fight at all, but it will and it has tainted the victory.

And, my agenda is just a discussion of what I think is an obvious case of Ped use, on JMMs behalf. The NYtimes is considered THE newspaper, its surely America's most storied newspaper, they wouldn't accuse or imply JMM of PED use unless it passed their editorial scrutiny.

I just think PED use in boxing is sad, and depressing. It makes for more exciting fights, that much is true, but this is boxing. And it just seems like boxing fans don't care if PEDs are in the sport, ala Lamount Peterson.

But its true, this is just a discussion, because unless you're the rare fighter with enough clout to force gb or tr to employ vada, there's really no drugs testing at all in boxing. And I don't think there ever will be true drugs testing in the sport. Oh well.

there will never be testing like vada or usada implemented by a commission because 1) the cost is too high 2) the commissions most likely couldn't care less if a fighter is juicing, as it would make for more exciting fights

if they truly cared about PED's, the penalties would be MUCH harsher. fact is, they really don't care as much about it as say loaded gloves