NYTimes openly su****ious of PED use by JMM

[Ray*]

I'm not really surprised about the KO, well I am, but not surprised that it was possible. JMM threw that punch while Pac was coming in... so Pac's momentum met JMM's and that had to hurt.
I'm more surprised by the KD and how he was able to blast Pac down

I agree with you 100%, I wasnt shocked by the KO because of the way the punch was landed (Timing and Pac walking right into it) But i was shocked that the KD put pac down, He saw the punch but the punch was still strong enough to put him down, At that point i was like either Pac's chin is slipping or JMM got some power.

[BrokenHat]

I'm not really surprised about the KO, well I am, but not surprised that it was possible. JMM threw that punch while Pac was coming in... so Pac's momentum met JMM's and that had to hurt.
I'm more surprised by the KD and how he was able to blast Pac down

Yea, the first KD was from a right that Manny has taken many times from JMM, but this time it absolutely stunned him, even though he saw it.

It's obvious JMM new massive muscles at the tender age of 39, have given him power he did not have previously. That new found hulking body of JMM also gave him a great chin, as the stats prove, he ate a lot of power shots from PAC.

And in the previous fight, JMM went 12 vicious rounds without tiring, again at the youthful age of 38.

It seems like most people agree that JMM was roiding, but the response I keep hearing is mainly from blind Floyd fans, so keep saying, " Well Pac might've cheated before, so its great the JMM is peding." Some Floyd fans are petty.

[VaginaPuncher]

first pac never said he was scared of needles forgot how that rumor started. but he was willing to do full random testing with floyd (although more than a year later). but the point is a much more prime marquez hit pac with hard flush shots and never did pac get knocked down or even remotely close to getting knocked out.

at 39 years old marquez not only looks ripped but has got some new-found punching power..and the fact that this is all coming at a time that he started working more with heredia (a known ped dealer and chemist) should raise red flags...but obviously for some it doesn't.

it's called perfect timing, plus miguel was working with jmm on the third fight and everything came out clean. done

[Weebler I]

Where was the NYTIMEs wen Floyd was questioning MANNY quick rise in the sport and knocking out guys 20 pounds bigger than him huh????

When Floyd called out pac..all you pac tards where saying Floyd has no right and manny Take and pass every commissioned Test!! and unless he's found guilty of cheating We should not Accuse him!!!!

Now I ask all you pac fan Should ya'll give Marquez the same treatment?? until proven Guilty??

Oh I get it!!!!
Ya'll Only cry for Drug test when your Boy get's..K.O

I'm not saying one way or the other on Pacquiao but he was always an offensive fighter with speed and power so it wasn't completely unbelievable.

Marquez was a great counter-puncher with average pop. The swift change is at least questionable.

[shade darkar]

bollocks. just because you win a fight does not mean you are on PEDS.

[Bermuda]

it's called perfect timing, plus miguel was working with jmm on the third fight and everything came out clean. done

well it's heredia's forte to help athletes avoid getting caught he did it with marion jones..so you're not going to catch heredia's clients with a failed drug test.

[The Big Dunn]

Very surprisingly that the biggest newspaper on the planet is openly implying JMM probably used PEDs in his last fight with PAC. I hate to say it, but I guess they're right. JMM is 39 yrs old and looks like a body builder.

The same New York Times that every pac diehard fan and floyd hater said was lying when it published the story about how floyd is his own promoter and how his deal is structured?

HMM, seems like you guys aren't questioning the Times now

[Oxn]

Yea, the first KD was from a right that Manny has taken many times from JMM, but this time it absolutely stunned him, even though he saw it.

It's obvious JMM new massive muscles at the tender age of 39, have given him power he did not have previously. That new found hulking body of JMM also gave him a great chin, as the stats prove, he ate a lot of power shots from PAC.

And in the previous fight, JMM went 12 vicious rounds without tiring, again at the youthful age of 38.

It seems like most people agree that JMM was roiding, but the response I keep hearing is mainly from blind Floyd fans, so keep saying, " Well Pac might've cheated before, so its great the JMM is peding." Some Floyd fans are petty.

Agree 100%. I was more shocked by the knockdown than the knockout. The knockout i can believe because it was the perfect shot, even an amazing chin would get koed. But the kd was crazy, it launched manny and he saw the punch.

But what is more unbelievable was jmms punch resistance. Jmm has gone down on lighter shots from manny, but manny was exploding on his face and he was holding up.

I have my opinions of jmm, and the whole ped thing, but i would never state it as facts like some huggers have with manny.

[Bermuda]

carlos molina's s&c coach was interviewed about marquez and his new found physique on Leave It In The Ring Radio...

WHETHER HE THINKS THE SIZE THAT MARQUEZ PUT ON, IN THE QUICK TIME PERIOD THAT HE DID SO, AT HIS AGE, SHOULD BE QUESTIONED?

Garcia: “Yes, definitely. Yes, yes and yes. You hit on some key points. It’s a natural thing aging. When you age, one of the main factors is a difference in [the] hormone levels your body does produce, [with] that being directly related to your muscular skeletal system and everything else. It has to do with recovery… a lot of that is hormone based. So yes, of course, later on in life, to get that much better, definitely has to raise questions. Even if you just look at the 24/7 [Pacquiao-Marquez series] there was a really important small comment, that maybe a lot of people didn’t catch, within what Nacho Beristain [Marquez trainer] said. He said, ‘this time when Marquez came into camp, he came into camp very explosive. He had this strength and explosiveness like I’ve never seen before. And you know, and for those that don’t know, especially in the sport of boxing, you would use PEDs in the off-season when nobody’s looking, and do all that ground work before you even signed that fight. And then you have those two or three months of training, then you would have your eight week training — your boxing training. So if he’s [Marquez] coming into training this way… because they know that these questions will be raised, obviously they could have used before. So yes, you could say that it does raise a lot of red flags, whether it’s true or not, or [whether] they’re really that great at what they do. But honestly… genetically, naturally, it’s not… I wouldn’t say it’s impossible, but pretty close to impossible.”

everyone is thinking it...you have to be delusional to not see it as a possibility.

[tank17211]

Very surprisingly that the biggest newspaper on the planet is openly implying JMM probably used PEDs in his last fight with PAC. I hate to say it, but I guess they're right. JMM is 39 yrs old and looks like a body builder.

You have to suspect this. Marquez has never knocked Pacquiao down and all of a sudden he knocks him out cold in this fight.