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Is Vitali Klitschko an ATG?
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Originally posted by BattlingNelson View PostParticularly not when prime Lummox was KTFO by clubfighters.
The fact is, Vitali's resume is abominable for an "elite" fighter. And it's degrading to other ATG's when people say he ranks among them. John Ruiz has beaten better fighters but no one would dare call him an ATG. Yet they call Vitali one because no one has proven to be better at knocking a bum out.
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Originally posted by IMDAZED View PostI wouldn't say clubfighters although I see what you're saying.
The fact is, Vitali's resume is abominable for an "elite" fighter. And it's degrading to other ATG's when people say he ranks among them. John Ruiz has beaten better fighters but no one would dare call him an ATG. Yet they call Vitali one because no one has proven to be better at knocking a bum out.
Vitali is my second favourite fighter. I would not call him an ATG. That hurts me, but it is what it is. Resume counts. Fantasy does not.
HOF? Well if McGuigan sets the bar Vitali is in no sweat.
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Originally posted by BattlingNelson View PostLike Roy Jones, Vitali will have an outstanding career in fantasy match-ups. His undoing is that the division outside K2 is terrible.
Vitali is my second favourite fighter. I would not call him an ATG. That hurts me, but it is what it is. Resume counts. Fantasy does not.
HOF? Well if McGuigan sets the bar Vitali is in no sweat.
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Originally posted by IMDAZED View PostI hear you on McGuigan. However, I hope that's not the bar or else we're gonna keep lowering it, like we're doing for Vitali. And that's way too low.
"Well if McGuigans in, then Vitali is in"
"If McGuigans in, Diego Corrales is in"
"If McGuigans in, Antonio Tarvers in"
"If Mcguigans in, Adrien Broner is in"
No, but seriously, going off "If he's in, then he's in" is just going to cause the standard to get lower and lower and lower.
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Originally posted by sunny31 View PostHis 6 rounds against Lewis, plus the longevity and consistency say yes for me. His performance against Lewis was not a fluke, he was putting together good rounds, this shows me that he was in the top bracket, in my opinion Lewis was starting to take over, but that is besides the point, and we just don't know what would have happened. What we do know is he had a hell of a 6 rounds against one of the best ever. In many ways Vitali has proved to me much more than Wlad, who may have a better resume, but let's face it, that is just the way the pieces fell together. A fit and healthy Vitali would have dominated all those guys on Wlads resume the same way, in fact in some cases probably with more ease.
The only time either brother had a chance to prove themselves to be truly great was Vitali against Lewis, and in my opinion he showed he belonged. I would have both brothers as ATG's but I have my doubts about Wladmirs ability to beat a truly great heavyweight.Originally posted by Big Dunn View PostDude if thats the case then Oliver MCCall and Hasim Rachman must be ATG because they KTFO Lennox.
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