Is Joe Calzaghe an ATG?

[Saint G Groves]

just stop, a "younger prime Calzaghe" went life and death with Rob Reid, he never stopped anyone on Ward's level his whole career. it's very arguable that he never fought anyone as good or as versatile as the fighter Ward is now, either, and that's including the version of Hopkins he fought.

Joe had an injury and an off night with Reid. Ward had an off night and struggle with Bika. I could list examples of other fighters, this is boxing, it happens. If yo fight 46 times, you won't be at your best 46 times.

another fellow pretending that he's not a diehard fan of the fighter he's defending, but rather is just stating 'the facts'. it's becoming a trend lately.

If you read my posts you'll see I'm no diehard fan, I've openly criticised Joe on here plenty before, criticism he deserves for his career choices.

You're clearly a twat with an agenda, so don't waste any more my time

i don't by any means believe that Calzaghe has an evening of leisure with Carl Froch, either.

Joe Calzaghe has become terribly mythologized.

Froch really has little in his locker to trouble Calzaghe, he hits hard but thats about it

[Stuntman Mike]

Ward has never fought an elite fighter, his best win is Kessler, who Joe had already beaten years earlier.

Calzaghe has one 'debatable' win and that was against Hopkins, who was an 'elite' fighter, and it wasn't even that debatable, most feel Joe did just enough to win a close fight against an ATG. If Ward fought an ATG like Hopkins back in 2008, you'd see a very close fight

I see you hate Calzaghe and that's fair enough, I'm not a big Calzaghe fan myself. I watched most of his fights over his career though, and I know just how good he was, and I know he's better than Ward and any SMW/LHW today. Calzaghe would box Froch's head off for 12 rounds no problem. I like Ward, rate him highly, but did you see how he struggled and lost the last 3 rounds against Froch? I think in a rematch Froch would make it seriously close. Calzaghe would set a pace Ward cant handle, Calzaghe had great footwork, agility, handspeed, rhythm and stamina, add to that his ring IQ. Overall he's better than Ward and would beat him clearly, a younger prime Calzaghe would possibly stop him late. I know Ward won the super 6 and he's flavour of the month so you're going to tell me about how he's unbeatable and so on yeah yeah yeah

Like I say, I'm no big Calzaghe fan, I don't really care if you think he was a Welsh cab driver who got lucky. I saw almost all his televised fights and know about his underrated amateur career. He was seriously good and gets underrated, I know I won't change your opinion but it's the truth

Lets forget about how ward completely dominated Kessler,which calzaghe did not .. And please don't say calzaghe ruined Kessler because he was the same fighter the night he fought calzaghe as the night he fought ward


When was Joe Calzaghe ever ranked number 2 on the ring p4p list?
Wards number 2 for a reason and will soon take over the number 1 spot.. but I doubt that will shut a nuthugging brit like you up... no matter what Ward does you'll always argue Joe could have beat him.... pft.Ward fights like Hopkins a bit... he would have given Calzaghe hell

If Hopkins was prime he would have made every round look like the first round of the fight,same goes for Jones


And I have seen most of Calzaghe fights so please stop bringing up the fact you watched most of his fights ... most people on this boxing forum has.. its not a good arguement and it won't make people side with you


I personally think Joe would most likely beat Froch but not easily...

I think Joe Calzaghe would have lost to Andre Dirrel the night he faced Froch

and I know for a fact Joe Calzaghe would have been dominated by Ward because Hopkins dominated him at times and made him look clumsy as hell...Joe got away with the mistakes he made because of the people he was fighting but Hopkins and Ward capitalize on mistakes it was just a shame Hopkins didn't have the stamina to jump on every mistake Calzaghe made

Post some video evidence of Ward making mistakes Calzaghe would capitalize on

I could post hundreds of gifs of Calzaghe making a clown of himself

[wazaa.]

Hell no.

Joe Calzaghe is a coward.

[Skittlez]

Lets forget about how ward completely dominated Kessler,which calzaghe did not .. And please don't say calzaghe ruined Kessler because he was the same fighter the night he fought calzaghe as the night he fought ward


When was Joe Calzaghe ever ranked number 2 on the ring p4p list?
Wards number 2 for a reason and will soon take over the number 1 spot.. but I doubt that will shut a nuthugging brit like you up... no matter what Ward does you'll always argue Joe could have beat him.... pft.Ward fights like Hopkins a bit... he would have given Calzaghe hell

If Hopkins was prime he would have made every round look like the first round of the fight,same goes for Jones


And I have seen most of Calzaghe fights so please stop bringing up the fact you watched most of his fights ... most people on this boxing forum has.. its not a good arguement and it won't make people side with you


I personally think Joe would most likely beat Froch but not easily...

I think Joe Calzaghe would have lost to Andre Dirrel the night he faced Froch

and I know for a fact Joe Calzaghe would have been dominated by Ward because Hopkins dominated him at times and made him look clumsy as hell...Joe got away with the mistakes he made because of the people he was fighting but Hopkins and Ward capitalize on mistakes it was just a shame Hopkins didn't have the stamina to jump on every mistake Calzaghe made

Post some video evidence of Ward making mistakes Calzaghe would capitalize on

I could post hundreds of gifs of Calzaghe making a clown of himself

Dirrell can't beat shyt. Stop making up lies man.. There is no way Dirrell can beat Calzaghe. If anything, Dirrell exposed Froch's extreme limitations rather than show how skilled he himself was in their fight.


Calzaghe will dominate Direll 12-0. Dirrell will not win one round.


The Hopkins that fought Calzaghe has become severely underrated.


Let me ask you this.

Hopkins fought Pavlik at 170. So that's around SMW .

Who wins this fight:

Hopkins that fought Pavlik vs
Froch that fought Bute.

[Skittlez]

Hell no.

Joe Calzaghe is a coward.

There are very very very few cowards in boxing.

Calzaghe is not one of them.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Absolutely not. His promoter is probably mostly to blame for that.

[S. Saddler 1310]

Joe had an injury and an off night with Reid. Ward had an off night and struggle with Bika. I could list examples of other fighters, this is boxing, it happens. If yo fight 46 times, you won't be at your best 46 times.

excuses, excuses, everyone has one.

Ward didn't have an off-night against Bika, he won that fight widely but didn't look great because nobody really looks great against Bika. Joe didn't look great against a lesser Bika than the improved one Ward fought, not because Joe had an off night, but because Bika is an awkward, ugly style to navigate.

If you read my posts you'll see I'm no diehard fan, I've openly criticised Joe on here plenty before, criticism he deserves for his career choices.

You're clearly a twat with an agenda, so don't waste any more my time

oh, you have no agenda, you're just mr. impartial over here. sure.

Froch really has little in his locker to trouble Calzaghe, he hits hard but thats about it

Froch was said to have little in his locker to trouble many of the guys he fought, until he fought them. his skills are better than was ever given credit for, his defence is underrated, his speed is deceptive (aided by timing), his jab is nagging and sneaky. plus, Joe was a sucker for the up and under. he does not have an easy night with Froch, period.

[joe strong]

other then his kessler win he beat lacy & 2 over 40 HOFers & a whole bunch of european level fighters. all his WBO defences before 2004 were not world title fights as the WBO was not recognized as a world title until 2004. he stayed in europe when all top fighters were fighting in the states. he had a solid career but not an all-time great. obviously could have been if he fought better competition. his win over a prime kessler proves that but it's crazy to say but even at 46-0 i'm not convinced he's even HOF worthy. most of his WBO reign was at domestic level & not world. the WBO belt was a stepping stone belt like the NABF or the european title. so is a guy that defends the NABF title 20 times vs guys like chazz witherspoon & brian minto worthy of the hall? other then roy jones, hopkins, kessler & lacy who did he beat? it wasn't roy jones pre- ruiz nor was it hopkins of old...i think he could have been one of the best ever but just never took the risks & went abroad. in his prime boxing was at a high in the states & that's where the money & big fights were. he chose to stay regional & fight european level fighters but as i said his win over kessler proves exactly how talented he really was but he just never took those big fights when they would have mattered. just my opinion...

[Skittlez]

other then his kessler win he beat lacy & 2 over 40 HOFers & a whole bunch of european level fighters. all his WBO defences before 2004 were not world title fights as the WBO was not recognized as a world title until 2004. he stayed in europe when all top fighters were fighting in the states. he had a solid career but not an all-time great. obviously could have been if he fought better competition. his win over a prime kessler proves that but it's crazy to say but even at 46-0 i'm not convinced he's even HOF worthy. most of his WBO reign was at domestic level & not world. the WBO belt was a stepping stone belt like the NABF or the european title. so is a guy that defends the NABF title 20 times vs guys like chazz witherspoon & brian minto worthy of the hall? other then roy jones, hopkins, kessler & lacy who did he beat? it wasn't roy jones post ruiz nor was it hopkins of old...i think he could have been one of the best ever but just never took the risks & went abroad. in his prime boxing was at a high in the states & that's where the money & big fights were. he chose to stay regional & fight european level fighters but as i said his win over kessler proves exactly how talented he really was but he just never took those big fights when they would have mattered. just my opinion...

Joe was a product of being stuck between eras though

He missed the boat of the early 90's to mid 90's 168 guys like Benn,Eubank,Toney,Roy,Mccellan etc.. and just barely missed the boat of the current crop.

If he had debuted at the same time as the 90's guys.. he would have a few losses but he might have a much stronger resume.


If he was born later.. he will be the top SMW today..


Guys like Kessler got a big heart and a exciting style.. but let's be honest he is far beneath the likes of Toney+Jones and would probably lose to Eubank/Benn as well.

This current crop is exciting but a peg beneath the 90's and a peg below Joe.

Joe's name is among that of the 90's boys in terms of skill level... the only guy that could **** with the 90's boy and Joe today will be Ward.


And Andre Ward is a poor man's James Toney.

[S. Saddler 1310]

And Andre Ward is a poor man's James Toney.

Ward fights nothing like Toney.


in all his time as a titleholder at 168, Calzaghe never had a divisional rival as good as Ward. period.