Clip: Oleg Maskaev Sucks

[Bozo_no no]

I believe that's "difinitively". If Toney is beating on the Bookers and Guinns of the world and he gets a title shot and Maskaev is beating on the Joe Schmo's of the world then he gets a title shot too, at least he worked himself into the mandatory position. That's all I'm saying.

The fact he was anywhere near a mandatory position is bull ****. He didn't beat anyone worth anything to get to that position, and was coming off brutal stoppage losses to garbage fighters.

Toney was automaticlly ranked high because he was undisputed at cruiser, beat Holyfield who was ranked top ten at the time, and maintained his ranking because of the time off injured.

The common sense comes in when you know what a great fighter he is because of what he's done, he hasn't lost in years (or at all at Heavyweight) and is ranked by anyone with half a brain as one of the best fighters at Heavyweight.

To suggest Maskaev is even comparable with who he's lost to, how he lost to them, and how little he's done since is a joke.

[Manny_P]

The fact he was anywhere near a mandatory position is bull ****. He didn't beat anyone worth anything to get to that position, and was coming off brutal stoppage losses to garbage fighters.

Toney was automaticlly ranked high because he was undisputed at cruiser, beat Holyfield who was ranked top ten at the time, and maintained his ranking because of the time off injured.

The common sense comes in when you know what a great fighter he is because of what he's done, he hasn't lost in years (or at all at Heavyweight) and is ranked by anyone with half a brain as one of the best fighters at Heavyweight.

To suggest Maskaev is even comparable with who he's lost to, how he lost to them, and how little he's done since is a joke.

James Toney is the man. Maskaev is trash!!!

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Toney was the undisputed Cruiserweight champion. When an undisputed champion moves up in weight, he's ranked high automatically, in many instances, getting an immediate title shot.

Then haven't Juan Carlos Gomez and Vassily Jirov gotten their shots.

It's assumed Toney is a top 5 heavy, but he hasn't beaten anyone of note at heavy. His resume at heavy certainly isn't as good as Maskaev's, so it's pretty ****** to trash Oleg, even if he's not that good anymore. I think Toney is a pretty good heavy, but he needs a good win. If he beats Rahman, so what? I mean, he should beat Rahman after all. Oleg already dropped Rahman with a single shot. Toney should and probably will try to truly prove how good he is at heavyweight by fighting Klitschko, Brewster, etc.

Hasn't done it yet though.

[Soliloquy]

I know the ABC Organizations are bogus and me personally I don't think Maskaev should be in the position fighting for a title, just look at the Judah-Baldomir fight...Baldomir can't fight worth ****! Anyways, the ABC Organizations are there for a reason & the rules should be followed. If he got himself there, then he should get a shot, that's all I'm saying.

[Bozo_no no]

Then haven't Juan Carlos Gomez and Vassily Jirov gotten their shots.

It's assumed Toney is a top 5 heavy, but he hasn't beaten anyone of note at heavy. His resume at heavy certainly isn't as good as Maskaev's, so it's pretty ****** to trash Oleg, even if he's not that good anymore. I think Toney is a pretty good heavy, but he needs a good win. If he beats Rahman, so what? I mean, he should beat Rahman after all. Oleg already dropped Rahman with a single shot. Toney should and probably will try to truly prove how good he is at heavyweight by fighting Klitschko, Brewster, etc.

Hasn't done it yet though.

Jirov lost to Toney at Cruiser, moved up and did poorly.

Gomez never unifed a title at Cruiser, and also got knocked out in a meaningless Heavyweight fight in the 1st round. That would be like Toney getting KO'd by Booker in the 1st.

Maskaev does not have a better resume at Heavyweight, who are you kidding?

He has BRUTAL embarassing losses, followed up by two years of fighting cream puffs. You can take the handfull of credible wins he had YEARS ago, ignore the brutal losses since, and act like that's relevent at present. Come on.

That doesn't put him anywhere NEAR title contention.

I like how you had no problem with Roy's immediate title shot, but you complain Toney doesn't deserve it?

Toney is a top 5 Heavyweight. Period. There's no denying it or arguing it.

Maskaev is not.

End of story.

[Bozo_no no]

I know the ABC Organizations are bogus and me personally I don't think Maskaev should be in the position fighting for a title, just look at the Judah-Baldomir fight...Baldomir can't fight worth ****! Anyways, the ABC Organizations are there for a reason & the rules should be followed. If he got himself there, then he should get a shot, that's all I'm saying.

This was Badblood's stance, and it's Bull ****.

This is exactly what shouldn't be happening. Undeserving fighters getting title shots just because it's accepted the ranking systems are corrupt is killing the sport.

In this case, the right call was made. Toney getting the shot is better for the division, and the fight people want to see.

If Wlad fights Brewster for the WBO title, he loses his IBF ranking, making Ray Austin the #1 contender.

The same logic will come up: Oh well he's earned it by fighting through their BS rankings. He deserves a shot.

No, he doesn't.

I don't want to see Oleg Maskaev or Ray Austin getting title shots because a select group of fans think it's unfair they're not getting what the BS sanctioning groups set up with their BS rankings.

This all comes back to the fact Maskaev isn't a top ten Heavyweight and hasn't won a meaningfull fight since getting knocked out by terrible fighters.

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Jirov lost to Toney at Cruiser, moved up and did poorly.

Gomez never unifed a title at Cruiser, and also got knocked out in a meaningless Heavyweight fight in the 1st round. That would be like Toney getting KO'd by Booker in the 1st.

Well no, you see. Toney was not undisputed either at cruiser, nor was his overall success there any better than Gomez or Jirov's until he beat Jirov of course. By your logic, Gomez should have gotten a shot before Yang Diaz would have even had a chance to KO him. He should have gotten a quick shot like Toney, because of his championship status at cruiser.

And no, I'm not saying Toney doesn't desrrve it and Roy does. Ruiz chose to defend his title vs Roy, and Toney is fighting for Rahman's interim belt or whatever. There's a difference. But I'm just going on your criteria. On that criteria, Toney is no more deserving than Maskaev, period, end of story.

That doesn't mean in my own opinion Ithink Toney is undeseving. He certainly hasn't provne much yet at heavyweight but it's fine with me if he gets a shot.

[Bozo_no no]

Toney is no more deserving than Maskaev, period, end of story.

No, wrong.

Toney is a top 5 Heavyweight, and Maskaev isn't even top ten.

That's the bottom line here.

[!!Captain]

Well, we just have to totally disagree then, no problem. It's my opinion that if you're going to make a clip like this then show the punch that clearly started it all, about 3-4 secs before your clip begins. A right hand that staggers Maskaev and sends him fumbling backwards. Which is why Whitaker attacked him. Which is why he landed the last 1-2 that dropped him.

And no, it's not that I was upset necessarily. But you said I "remembered wrong" when I said Maskaev was hurt with a right hand right before the clip starts that began that sequence, did you not? And you were 100% incorrect. If you can't see the right hand, or see that Maskaev is hurt by it, or that Whitaker clearly sees that Maskaev was hurt by it and attacks him, then hey- what can I say? Just move on, because we are watching different fights or speaking different languages.

Welcome to the BS man. Don't try to argue with Bozo, he'll just be reapeating his **** over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again, until you just get ****ing tired of arguing with him and stop trying. That's how he wins 90% of his arguments here. Good luck...

[Bozo_no no]

Well no, you see. Toney was not undisputed either at cruiser, nor was his overall success there any better than Gomez or Jirov's until he beat Jirov of course.

Come on man, a minute ago you're saying by my logic Jirov deserved a crack. He LOST to Toney.

And Jirov vs Toney was for the undisputed Cruisweight title the same way Johnson Tarver was. Everyone knew those two were the top two Heavys.

Gomez was a title holder at Cruiser, and didn' have the credibility Toney did moving up. He also clearly wanted to test the waters at Heavyweight as was evident in his first few fights with tomatoe cans.

Those are not valid compairisons to Toney moving up as the Undisputed Cruiseweight champion and stopping Holyfield, who was top ten at the time.