Comments Thread For: Haye: I've Agreed To Vitali's Terms, Let's Do The Fight

[BoxingGenius27]

No you've got it all wrong. Wlad is just a bad style match-up for Haye because he is SO cautious, which Haye also is. Wlad constantly stayed just at the end of his range, thumping that jab, but was ready at a seconds notice to move back away from Haye's shots.

Wlad did simply what he needed to do to win, he didn't get ****** and he stayed tight the entire 12 rounds, it was actually Haye who had to gamble
(But not enough). In order for Haye to beat Wlad he needs to work on his inside game.

My point is that since Sanders (RIP Corrie) Vitali has not yet faced a tall man, who has good fleet of foot and quick handspeed & power.

Vitali is one of the smartest fighters in boxing. Haye will have to take full advantage of the few opportunities that Klitschko will give him, because there will only be a limited number of openings throughout the entire fight.

Why would Haye need to work on his inside game against Wlad when all Wlad does is grab/clinch when someone gets close? Is Haye suppose to work on exploding with punches out of the clinch when someone's grabbing you?

Oh yeah, and Vitali covers more space with his jab because of his ability to hold his feet so far apart. Wlad stands straight up and fires a lightning like jab, but he gives his opponents the opportunity to reach him also.

Vitali's stance is why no one can get close to him. It's damn near impossible to cover that distance without either getting countered by Vitali or him taking one of those huge steps back. Wlad doesn't do that making him more susceptible.

[damuttz112]

The problem was is that Booth & Haye's gameplan was to come in light, train to avoid Wlads jab (which he did a magnificent job of during the fight) and hit Wlad with a counter & finish him. The problem was for Haye was that he waited, and waited, and waited, and waited for an opportunity to be able to counter Wlad with something - but it never came.

The inside is where most of Wlad's KO's have come from; Sanders, Brewster etc. He doesn't have an inside game. Why do you think Haye was falling over when Wlad tried to clinch? He was forcing the issue of Wlad's dominant clinching (To no avail). In essence it's Haye's only chance as he was unable to KO Wlad from the outside or even when he got in intermediate range Wlad just took 2 steps backward and forced Haye to throw wild punches from the outside.

Wlads height, reach, footwork, use of feints and control of range meant that Haye was reduced to lunging shots in an attempt to land anything at all.
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The inside is where it's at, but unfortunately it's not Hayes strong suit.

Vitali was getting tagged by Charr in moments before the stoppage.

[Cuban Linx]

Why would Haye need to work on his inside game against Wlad when all Wlad does is grab/clinch when someone gets close? Is Haye suppose to work on exploding with punches out of the clinch when someone's grabbing you?

Oh yeah, and Vitali covers more space with his jab because of his ability to hold his feet so far apart. Wlad stands straight up and fires a lightning like jab, but he gives his opponents the opportunity to reach him also.

Vitali's stance is why no one can get close to him. It's damn near impossible to cover that distance without either getting countered by Vitali or him taking one of those huge steps back. Wlad doesn't do that making him more susceptible.

Most intelligent post so far.

People need to look up on wide-stances.

[Dave Rado]

Regardless of why he didn't look great against Chisora you can't be seriously trying to make an argument for Vitali being in his prime at 41.

He isn't far from it. He hasn't slowed that much and what he's lost in speed in the last three years has been made up for by better ring generalship. He's a much better overall fighter now than he was when he fought Lewis. The best performance of his career was probably the Arreola fight, so you could say he's a couple of years past his prime, but he hasn't lost much since then.

Physical prime is not the same as boxing prime. The 41 year old Hopkins would have beaten the 30 year old Hopkins. Same with Archie Moore and same with Vitali.

[paulf]

Everyone always looking to point fingers. Haye and Vitali were going to fight until the WBC pulled its bull****. They both wanted the fight, neither guy is a coward.

Anyway, Vitali will fight Haye unless he wins the election. If the man wins the mother****ing election then I don't see how any of you can hate on him for pursuing his next stage in life. He's given Haye as well as boxing in general plenty of time.

However, if Vitali loses the election and still doesn't fight Haye? Okay, you can hate then, but come on.

[Dave Rado]

Bad move by Haye. He should go after Wlad. He simply can't beat Vitali.

He can't beat either, but Vitali gets hit more than Wlad does, these days, which gives Haye more of an outside chance against him. And Vitali's fights are usually more watchable than Wlad's.

[BoxingGenius27]

He can't beat either, but Vitali gets hit more than Wlad does, these days, which gives Haye more of an outside chance against him. And Vitali's fights are usually more watchable than Wlad's.

No he doesn't. Unless you're saying Wlad is now 2nd to Mayweather in defense, no he doesn't.

[Subway]

Let me guess how this goes
-Haye talks it up
-Idiots buy the fight thinking it'll be a brawl
-Haye backpeddles entire fight
-Vitali wins boring points decision
-Next year Haye calls out wlad
-Delusional boxing fans waste money again

Close?

[letsgobrady]

haye loses a fight to wlad where he does nothing than beats chisora who was coming off a couple of loses now vitali has to fight haye?vitali does not have to fight haye,who is haye?what has he done?if vitali feels like fighting haye than whatever but i don't know why some peoplde make it seem like haye is so deserving of the fight when he really has not done anything

[damuttz112]

haye loses a fight to wlad where he does nothing than beats chisora who was coming off a couple of loses now vitali has to fight haye?vitali does not have to fight haye,who is haye?what has he done?if vitali feels like fighting haye than whatever but i don't know why some peoplde make it seem like haye is so deserving of the fight when he really has not done anything

Who the hell was Charr?