Rewatched Mayweather VS Castillo 1, Never seen Floyd look so lost

[CubanGuyNYC]

so how did U score the fight?

I saw this bout years ago on Youtube. I don't remember my score. I do remember that it was indeed a close fight. Castillo was not robbed. Too close a fight for that claim.

What was it Mayweather called Cotto? The "toughest opponent" he's ever faced? I'd say Floyd "musta forgot" about Jorge Luis.

[UTEP]

I saw this bout years ago on Youtube. I don't remember my score. I do remember that it was indeed a close fight. Castillo was not robbed. Too close a fight for that claim.

What was it Mayweather called Cotto? The "toughest opponent" he's ever faced? I'd say Floyd "musta forgot" about Jorge Luis.

Yea it was a great fight. I would of been happy with a draw, just to end all the controversy.

[Goldie]

Yea it was a great fight. I would of been happy with a draw, just to end all the controversy.

Floyd ended all controversy by clearly winning the rematch six months later.

[I Love Jesus!]

Wow!!!

It's not that surprising. the fanatically obsessed only watch what floyd is doing. there whole focus is on floyd. they pay no attention to fighter b. floyd goes into the fight the winner and it's up to the opponent to prove them wrong. which is almost impossible when you disregard everything they do.

[I Love Jesus!]

true story.....the night of the fight I was chilling with a young lady I was trying to get on for months...finally got the green light and when we got to her crib she turned on the music and then the tv and started flipping channels..boom HBO and the fight was just about to start...told her the HBO channel was cool....volume was on mute with the music from the stereo ****ing out...so we talking the talk and having a few drinks...but outta the corner of my eye I'm peeping the fight....I thought Floyd LOST...when they raised his hand at the end, I told the chick that the Mexican dude got robbed...didn't know who JLC was at the time...I was still a puppy, a pitbull in the making

I've NEVER re-watched that scrap....but from what I remember, Floyd DID look lost and I feel as though he DID lose that...I think its about time to give that another look

so you were hitting it while the fight was going on? nice

[Bababoey970]

I just rewatched the fight and scored the first 4 rounds for mayweather, rds 5,6,7 castillo. Round 8 was even 9-9 castillo deducted 1 point. Round 9 for Floyd. Round 10 was a 10-8 for castillo, Floyd deducted 1 point and loosing the round. Rounds 11,12 for castillo. 114 Castiillo - 112 mayweather. Lampley, foreman, and lederman all had castillo winning. There you go boys end of thread!!

[FeFist]

8-4 huh.. So how do you explain the compubox numbers?

You know I don't understand people sometimes. They go on and on moaning about the amateur system of scoring fights which is essentially dependent on all of the Judges acknowledging a punch landed yet see compubox as a tool that should be relied upon when scoring fights.

It is two people pushing buttons as a result it is prone to error. Also the issue of the punches effectiveness, who pace of the fight etc. There is also the fact that fights aren't scored as a whole they're scored round by round to that end I'm going to quote Kellerman.

Floyd Mayweather Jr. won the first four rounds of his lightweight title bid against Jose Luis Castillo last Saturday night. Castillo won most of the rounds over the second half of their 12-round bout. Mayweather was ultimately awarded the unanimous decision.

The feeling among many boxing fans I have spoken to over the last couple of days is that Floyd was given a gift. CompuBox showed Castillo throwing and landing many more punches and powerpunches than Floyd. At the end of the night Mayweather had indeed been hit more than Castillo.

Yet I do not disagree with the official verdict. Fights are scored round by round, and Mayweather won the first four rounds. If the argument is that Castillo was robbed, then the argument must also be that Castillo won seven of the eight final rounds. That would have made the score seven to five favoring Castillo. I do not think a strong case can be made that Castillo won seven of the last eight rounds.

Castillo dug himself a hole (really Mayweather dug it for him) in the first four rounds, and as well as he fought the second half of the fight, it was not enough to pull himself out. Without scoring the fight round by round, and instead just watching the entire fight and then declaring the winner, I would have given it to Castillo. But that is not how fights are scored.

Harold Lederman, the unofficial ringside television judge, gave the third round to Castillo, which I think demonstrates that Mayweather suffers from the same scoring syndrome that afflicted Pernell Whitaker. Mayweather is so seldom hit cleanly in his face, that when a clean shot is landed against him it registers all out of proportion in the observer's mind. Meanwhile, the three clean shots Mayweather just landed against his opponent do not make the same kind of impression.

The third round was a good example of this phenomenon. Lederman mentioned that he gave Castillo the third round based on a couple of shots Castillo landed against Mayweather while Mayweather was on the ropes. Those were probably the first times Mayweather had been hit cleanly up to that point in the fight, and it impressed Lederman enough to give Castillo the round.

But I thought that Mayweather won the round based on the clean punches he landed throughout -- punches which our eyes were already accustomed to seeing by that point in the fight.

Scoring aside, Floyd Mayweather Jr. now holds the only belt in boxing that matters, The Ring Magazine championship belt. That means he is the legitimate lightweight champion of the world. Before the Castillo fight Floyd was talking about moving up in weight and taking on Kostya Tszyu and Oscar De La Hoya. In the wake of his controversial win, however, it might be time for him to reevaluate his plan. The lightweight division is replete with fighters who pose real challenges.

A reasonable analysis on what went down.

[r.burgundy]

If JLC wanted to win he should have done more in the first half of the fight, because he didn't win more than 1 round in the first 6~ and Floyd won at least 2 of the last 6.

JLC came on which gave the impression of him being better off, but Floyd fought his ass off to hold on. When you look at Floyd as a fighter that is the most impressive thing about that fight, JLC was a damn good fighter and he was coming on strong but Floyd kept his cool and fought him off basically to a stand still at the end. People always look to this fight as a cut down of Floyd but really it is a very impressive performance, because people think he is an easy guy to break but that fight showed he clearly is not.

exactly.not to mention they both lost points so its really a 10 rnd fight thats being scored.

[r.burgundy]

8-4 huh.. So how do you explain the compubox numbers?

you explain compubox numbers easy.in a 3 rnd fight,in rnd 1,a fighter could land 30 punches to fighter B's 10.in the next 2 rounds B could land 3 and fighter A lands 8.fighter A lands less punches,but still wins fight.

i mean damn,some rounds are won big,some are close

[CubanGuyNYC]

You know I don't understand people sometimes. They go on and on moaning about the amateur system of scoring fights which is essentially dependent on all of the Judges acknowledging a punch landed yet see compubox as a tool that should be relied upon when scoring fights.

It is two people pushing buttons as a result it is prone to error. Also the issue of the punches effectiveness, who pace of the fight etc. There is also the fact that fights aren't scored as a whole they're scored round by round to that end I'm going to quote Kellerman.

Well stated. Judging in professional boxing doesn't rely simply on a tally of the cumulative number of punches landed in a fight. As you accurately point out, the system is not only flawed, but it's not even the way pro judging works.

A reasonable analysis on what went down.

Excellent breakdown by Letterman. As I stated before, I don't remember how I scored the fight; I just recall thinking it was close. Max's thoughts ring true. There's a definite bias towards defensively inclined fighters in general, and Floyd is a paragon of that school. I think Letterman makes some insightful statements based on that idea.